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SageShadows
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 posted June 21, 2011 09:55 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for SageShadows Click Here to Email SageShadows Send a private message to SageShadows Click to send SageShadows an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stu55:
So, Grim Lavamancer and Incinerate

Oh my god I just crapped my pants. I hate red, but I'd love to get my hand on a playset of lavamancers. Q_Q

[Edited 1 times, lastly by SageShadows on June 21, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by SageShadows:
Oh my god I just crapped my pants. I hate red, but I'd love to get my hand on a playset of lavamancers. Q_Q

Now you will, because it's value will be destroyed, just like his friend the Shade.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Now you will, because it's value will be destroyed, just like his friend the Shade.

Exactly how I got my shades.

 
Sovarius
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Ahh, thanks Yaku.

quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Serra hasn't been a rare for a long time, and wasn't a rare back in the day. I think she was only a rare in 7th/8th?

7th-10th now that i look. I secretly admit i thought it was always a rare in the older days, just assumed so from when they finally printed an expansion symbol.
Buuuut, i will just play this off that i already knew. Serra was bumped back down to uncommon after a while, where as Sengir was uncommon the same eras as Serra and rare the same eras. But he did not get bumped back down.
It's weird. I like Serra too much to agree with this.
Salvation's spoiler shows Sengir as being an uncommon? Can only hope but must be a mistake?

 
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quote:
Salvation's spoiler shows Sengir as being an uncommon? Can only hope but must be a mistake?[/B]

mothership has it as uncommon as well.

 
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Grim Lavamancer: subtle plant for graveyard theme in INN?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
Grim Lavamancer: subtle plant for graveyard theme in INN?

As if Zombie Infestation wasn't?

edit: Either way, I'm excited. I'll definetly be brewing up a 3rd rebirth of my favorite archetype - Rb Aggro. Grim Lavamancer will definetly be in there, and depending on Innistrad, Zombie Infestation may be too. Maybe they'll bring back Unearth... I know Flashback will be back.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by AlmostGrown on June 22, 2011]

 
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Conserated Sphynx + Jace's Archivist = *DROOL*
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Salvation's spoiler shows Sengir as being an uncommon? Can only hope but must be a mistake?

Why? I hate to pull mediocre uncommons in the rare slot. Hurricane, Serra Angel, Sengir Vampire ...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
Why? I hate to pull mediocre uncommons in the rare slot. Hurricane, Serra Angel, Sengir Vampire ...

I think he meant he's hoping it's not a mistake, based on previous posts on the topic.

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I'm excited to draft this format, looks much better than M11!
 
Sovarius
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^ Definitely agree with that! This set looks so cool. I actually leave for a long time for stuff July 17th and will not be around to play it =[

quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
Why? I hate to pull mediocre uncommons in the rare slot. Hurricane, Serra Angel, Sengir Vampire ...

Yea, Bugger got it right. I hope it's an uncommon. But 'why' is just like i said, i like Serra too much. If this dick is gonna be a rare then Serra should be.
Realistically i guess i hope they both aren't.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by pugowar:
So I am playing Duals of the planeswalkers.
Is every card with a D12 in the new set? No way right?

No... D12 is the expansion symbol for Duels 2012 (D-12).

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
No... D12 is the expansion symbol for Duels 2012 (D-12).

Haha Yeah i figured that out as soon as i saw Achroma...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Now you will, because it's value will be destroyed, just like his friend the Shade.

I think the Lavamancer might see some play though, and hold some value, unlike his friend the Shade.

 
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wow did you see the rumored new texts on jace 3.0, chandra 3.0, and garruk 2.0?
Sure powered Jace down if its real.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=333327

 
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quote:
Originally posted by pugowar:
wow did you see the rumored new texts on jace 3.0, chandra 3.0, and garruk 2.0?
Sure powered Jace down if its real.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=333327

They just closed it as likely fake.

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Just to clarify the Sengir issue...it's an uncommon.

WoTC's own Card Image Gallery

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
They just closed it as likely fake.

They are

Jace, Memory Adept
3UU
Planeswalker - Jace
+1: Draw a card. Target player puts the top
card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
0: Target player puts the top ten cards of his or
her library into his or her graveyard.
-7: Any number of target players each draw
twenty cards.
4

[Edited 1 times, lastly by skizzikmonger on June 23, 2011]

 
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Not fake. I really dig Jace 3.0 because I feel that INN will be a graveyard themed set
 
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Jace 3.0 is confirmed legit.

Does anyone else notice this card screams "Use me with Psychosis Crawler?"

 
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HOLY CRAP I NEED 8 JACE3 RIGHT NOW. SERIOUSLY. SOMEONE SELL ME PREORDERS ON HIM.
 
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this seems absolutely broken, they made a mistake with jace 2.0, but wtf is the deal with jace 3.0, it seems like a not to different replacement, by the time oyu get him out, you can already take 4 turns to mill the **** out of them, and yeah, psyc crawler? this seems like jhust another broken card

[Edited 2 times, lastly by flashpower on June 26, 2011]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by flashpower:
this seems absolutely broken, they made a mistake with jace 2.0, but wtf is the deal with jace 3.0, it seems like a not to different replacement, by the time oyu get him out, you can already take 4 turns to mill the **** out of them, and yeah, psyc crawler? this seems like jhust another broken card

Yeah, a combo that takes 4 turns without any interference at all to go off on turn 8 at the absolute earliest seems really broken :eyeroll:
I'm sure valakut is going to have a lot of trouble dealing 5 damage to one target on turn 5, just for one.

Also, mill has never ever ever ever ever been tier one, and until they make a card that costs less than three mana and mills 53 cards it pretty much never will be. Bad players think it matters, just like they think surgical extraction is a strong card.

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Totally not defending Jace 3, because it's far from broken, but there might actually be some sort of mill deck in standard. At least WoTC seems to be trying to push it. Jace's Windfall seems like it could be a step in the right direction.

Yeah, Jace 3 is not even close to broken though... He doesn't even effect the board. Doesn't fix (break?) your opponent's draw, doesn't even give you a brainstorm each turn. His ultimate doesn't even win you the game! Totally not broken....

IMO he's comparable to Beleren as his abilities have similarities. I don't like the mana cost on the new Jace, but I do like his +1 quite a bit. Anytime they make Heightened Awareness a little bit better, I'm for it . That 3UU definitely limits his competitive play though.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by hilikuS on June 24, 2011]

 

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