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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
Does anyone else have a problem with their cards having the power to travel between dimensions at will?

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About 5 years ago (when Rav was Standard Legal), I could have sworn that my Leyline of the Voids were reproducing in my collection binder, always found 5 when I pulled them for play.

On a separate note, a friend wants me to consider going to the Legacy portion of the SCG Lynnwood 5k in a couple weeks. What should I play? Off the top of my head, I lack Deeds, Vindicates, and Grindstone. probably a few more legacy staples.

Also yesterday there was an interesting game for the finals of our weekly legacy event. Our local top legacy player vs random scrub with a trimed down Commander deck. The legacy player mulls to 5. Show and Tell into a Blightsteel Colossus. Scrub plays the blue vow on it. For the next 10 turns it was land-go as the Legacy player kept the scrub from stealing the Colossus.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Do the UR Exarch-Twin combo decks really play NO answers to Combust?

I've seen numerous lists and I just finished a game where my opponent drew TWENTY-FOUR more cards than I did during the course of the game (Preordains, Gitaxian Probe, Jace Beleren, Sea Gate Oracle) and he saw I had a Combust in hand and just lost to a Burning Shrine accumulating a lethal number of counters because he could never get his combo off.

That was the reason why I played the black splash in my Exarch-Twin combo deck, so I could Inquisition away a Combust, but even talking to people who play the deck, the philosophy seems to be that they hope that you don't have Combust, they will play Into the Roil and try again, or hope to draw into double Exarch + double Splinter Twin.

That seems like a poor plan for an easily hated out deck.

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Bloodgrift Demon (R)
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Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, target
player draws one card and loses 1 life.
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I hate it SO much when people use starcitygames as a price guide when I'm trading IRL. I hate it even more when they do it on MOTL.

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Gee, tell me about it. A couple weeks ago at my lgs I had to put up with a pair of dip****s who tried to smugly lecture me that starcity is THE price guide for trading by professionals, and by insisting on using apathyhouse I would be ripping myself off if I tried to trade at larger events.

Um, what?

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I hate it SO much when people use starcitygames as a price guide when I'm trading IRL. I hate it even more when they do it on MOTL.

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1000x this.

If it makes you feel any better, I've been told I go by "dealer prices" because I use this site for my guide. That makes all of us dealers, even the ones that aren't.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
1000x this.

If it makes you feel any better, I've been told I go by "dealer prices" because I use this site for my guide. That makes all of us dealers, even the ones that aren't.

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People still think I'm trying to rip them when I value their cards below retail...lol. They also don't seem to understand that I value my cards lower too.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I hate it SO much when people use starcitygames as a price guide when I'm trading IRL. I hate it even more when they do it on MOTL.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Why? It doesn't matter what price guide they use as long as both sides are valued using the same method.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
You can't be serious...are you? If so let's trade I will pick the price guide.

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More goes into it that just matching up values, but I don't see why you take issue with this point of view. While SCG prices might be higher than something like MOTL, they do tend to have things priced in a way that matches market value.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
You can't be serious...are you? If so let's trade I will pick the price guide.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
More goes into it that just matching up values, but I don't see why you take issue with this point of view. While SCG prices might be higher than something like MOTL, they do tend to have things priced in a way that matches market value.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Why? It doesn't matter what price guide they use as long as both sides are valued using the same method.

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I agree, but I think the problem people have is that, one side uses the price guide here, the other wants to value SCG sell prices. Convincing people that SCG is trying to make a profit, and thus marks up their prices on singles, is a seemingly difficult task.

For me it was just trying to find discrepancies in the two price guides. Err, between the price guide, and the price of cards on dealer websites. Probably should make that distinction.

I also don't see what the problem is of using any price guide as long as you value all the cards in the trade useing one guide.

Motl price guide has Batterskull at 15.97 and Gideon at 16.52

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
They value commons, uncommons, and bulk rares higher, so it's easier to trade trash for gold. I.e. the values of the good cards more accurately reflect value so the overpricing on the junk can get you a good deal. I think that's what he means.

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ok...when was the last time you managed to actually trade "trash for gold" on MOTL? Hell, I have a hard enough time trading silver for gold on here lately.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
ok...when was the last time you managed to actually trade "trash for gold" on MOTL? Hell, I have a hard enough time trading silver for gold on here lately.

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Never. But locally is another story.

Lately, I just let people propose trades. Everyone's been happy so far. Either I'm getting savagely ripped off (unlikely), or it's just better this way.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
ok...when was the last time you managed to actually trade "trash for gold" on MOTL? Hell, I have a hard enough time trading silver for gold on here lately.

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
The players at my LGS uses SCG price guide and are always looking for bulk crap (EDH gems for them) so I'm glad to use it :P

I got a set of Mox Opals for jank rares lately

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I am absolutely serious. Just because cards match up on a price guide doesn't mean you are bound by law to make that trade. But if it makes my trading partner more comfortable to trade using SCG or some other dealer's price guide, I'm not going to force MOTL down their throats.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I will give you 1 Jace the mindsculptor (@80 Each on SCG) for your 4 Gideon Jura (@20 each on SCG). They match up. You are not bound to this, but this shows the ridiculous of using a store's sell list as pricing.

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Looking at ebay...
Gideon x4 is like ~$50 and is being reprinted
Jace x1 is between $50-60 after being banned

So yeah, if I had 4 Gideons to trade I'd do that.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you keep ignoring the fact that prices alone are not what always dictates a trade. I know that's not the case for everyone. Some people do think A+B+C=D when it comes to evaluating trades. However, some of us do actually weigh the other values of cards that are more intangible than $ value...such as "do I need this" or "can I easily obtain this again."

Several people have now stated that just because values add up, it doesn't always mean it's a deal. Most people actually think a little about what they're giving up and what they're getting in return. Prices help guide a trade. While different sources will have different values, the cost comparisons are often the same.

Bulk vs. Playable cards is not a fair comparison. Most people won't do those kinds of trades anyway, unless they find somebody valuing good cards at bulk prices.