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Originally posted by iccarus:
Looking at ebay...
Gideon x4 is like ~$50 and is being reprinted
Jace x1 is between $50-60 after being banned

So yeah, if I had 4 Gideons to trade I'd do that.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you keep ignoring the fact that prices alone are not what always dictates a trade. I know that's not the case for everyone. Some people do think A+B+C=D when it comes to evaluating trades. However, some of us do actually weigh the other values of cards that are more intangible than $ value...such as "do I need this" or "can I easily obtain this again."

Several people have now stated that just because values add up, it doesn't always mean it's a deal. Most people actually think a little about what they're giving up and what they're getting in return. Prices help guide a trade. While different sources will have different values, the cost comparisons are often the same.

Bulk vs. Playable cards is not a fair comparison. Most people won't do those kinds of trades anyway, unless they find somebody valuing good cards at bulk prices.

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I know I was just trying to show mathematical discrepency for using store prices. Store prices are how much they want for a card. Ebay prices are how much the average intelligent person is willing to pay. The vast majority of the time people buy more chase cards on ebay or MOTL than from stores (at least that's becoming the trend) if they were to shop online. I can understand people still support their B&M stores but most people don't hop online to simply overpay. Granted if you multiply motl by 500 on all prices then it still evens itself out. However, a store has different priorities in which it wants to sell which makes it an awful price comparison.

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I just came up with a really quick example. Better example:

6 Standstill at 9.46 each for a total of 56.76 while jace remains at 55.81

Now go to SCG

Jace is now 80 Standstill is now 15*6=90. Less than a dollar gap on MOTL yet it is 10 on SCG. And that's just that specific example. It's stupid to use a store as a price comparison. So while you may make that trade on MOTL because "I'm losing a dollar", losing ten is usually something people shy away from.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
You say it's a good trade going by Ebay. I said SCG prices. I'm showing you that a store price comparison doesn't work well. You seem to agree.

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I pointed to ebay actually to show that the cost comparison was practically the same as your SCG example for those cards. The values were different, but they still matched up about the same at a lower total.

Honestly, I don't care either way. I trade very little IRL now so it almost never comes up. Heck, I trade very little on here anymore just because people only seem to want to trade up or want 20% more in value for the privilege of trading with them.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
I pointed to ebay actually to show that the cost comparison was practically the same as your SCG example for those cards. The values were different, but they still matched up about the same at a lower total.

Honestly, I don't care either way. I trade very little IRL now so it almost never comes up. Heck, I trade very little on here anymore just because people only seem to want to trade up or want 20% more in value for the privilege of trading with them.

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Originally posted by mattw:
i deal in crack, butt crack!

Ha, totally beat joz to saying something stupid

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Sorry, I was to busy bettering my self by writing a book called Deviant Psychology and Social Integrity.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
Trying to build an EDH deck. I have a list that needs cut down... so what do I do? Correct! I open the list up and start adding cards.

Also, does anyone have any info regarding my previous post in this thread?

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Cut all the fodder creatures, useless utility creatures, and anything that doesn't explicitly help you win the game on the spot.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by iccarus:
I pointed to ebay actually to show that the cost comparison was practically the same as your SCG example for those cards. The values were different, but they still matched up about the same at a lower total.

Honestly, I don't care either way. I trade very little IRL now so it almost never comes up. Heck, I trade very little on here anymore just because people only seem to want to trade up or want 20% more in value for the privilege of trading with them.

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And everybody views MOTL trades as a purely business transaction, so a trade worth under 10 or 15 bucks is completely discarded as worthless even though I'm personally glad to pay an extra buck or three to get cards I -need- delivered directly to my door.

The one that gets me the most is people with point-based-lists who have the exact same card listed at different point values on their haves and their wants. It just reeks of "I'm here to make money like I'm a store, actually trading magic cards is secondary"

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I think the thing that ****es me off in stores is when everyone pulls out a smartphone to look up prices. I basically am tired of trades taking so long. I tell people that I will only trade with phones in pocket including my DROID. Speeds things up even if it limits my audience.

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Thankfully this doesn't come up much in my closest LGS. That's because the back half of the store is pretty much a dead zone for cell reception.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
I would just ignore whatever they were trying to refer to. This is what I'm offering. I don't care what your phone says--this is what I'm saying. Either take it or leave it.

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That works I suppose. I just don't like wasting a day trading with one person. Nothing against that person, I love my smart phone just as much as they do.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
I'm guilty of breaking out Apathyhouse on my droid, but usually only if the trade is approaching three digits.

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I understand when the trades are for obscure cards but when its mostly Standard for Standard it gets annoying.

Oh i have to check the price on X Titan. Give me a break.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
If you don't know the prices of your cards don't trade.

I understand when the trades are for obscure cards but when its mostly Standard for Standard it gets annoying.

Oh i have to check the price on X Titan. Give me a break.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Cards fluctuate, if I am out of the loop for a lil bit and you seem super eager tO trade for my conquers pledge, you beat you as s I am gonna look it up

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Cards fluctuate, if I am out of the loop for a lil bit and you seem super eager tO trade for my conquers pledge, you beat you as s I am gonna look it up

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Pledge would be a more obscure card..

First time i traded with him, while i was looking through his binder he kept asking me if i wanted certain junk rares he had playsets plus of. I assumed he knew that practically donating them was a good deal so i said sure to some of them and he pulled them. By the end i had a small stack of junk worth like 17 cents a piece plus a few $2 cards. He then explains how they are all about a buck and that i should trade 5 type2 pieces of crap for Mana Vault and Mystical Tutor. I seriously want to punch this kid in the face.

There once was this guy, whom i also hate, who overlooked a trade between the guy i mentioned above and someone who just started playing. This guy talks like he knows a lot, but actually is terrible at rules (he calls everything Last Known Information, i have no idea why he only knows one phrase. also he's a lvl1 judge??) and playing magic, so all the noobs basically think that he actually knows stuff.
He goes on to explain how junk quarter rares should be valued at 50 cents when trading for cards worth more because "That's basically the only way to make it fair, otherwise the smaller cards have no chance".

With good reason, ****bag.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
Got any Jaces (80 @ SCG)? I will get you 160 rares valued at 50 cents on SCG. Deal?

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