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Originally posted by stab107:
Definitely not feeling the new Garruk. The horror theme is there in the form of Wolves but how can a relentless Garruk produce weaker creatures than a normal/primal Garruk? That doesn't feel particularly relentless. This one may be a miss but there is so much sweet stuff going on elsewhere in this set. Rooftop Storm just oozes flavor, I love it!

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What's 'relentless' about it is that it costs him zero loyalty... he can therefore produce wolves in perpetuity, i.e. relentlessly.

I really like this incarnation of Garruk, even if it's not likely to hit Legacy (the only format I play). It's just too bad that pre-orders on ebay are already hitting $160 for 4x, since I'd love to be able to play around with him more casually.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

I really like this incarnation of Garruk, even if it's not likely to hit Legacy (the only format I play). It's just too bad that pre-orders on ebay are already hitting $160 for 4x, since I'd love to be able to play around with him more casually.

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Which is why I never got a playset of mind sculptors.

I'm so glad I dumped my elspeths at peak though. Best. Move. Ever.

Edit: Except Chandra ablaze. Forget that card. ._.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
The difference is that Jace and Elspeth are good cards. Jace basically wins the game when he enters play and Elspeth has great abilities that add loyalty.

New Garruk is either a Green lightning bolt or just another breeding pit. I don't like that his abilities do not gain loyalty. I also don't like that his ult is basically his first ult with a possible bigger X.

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I think maybe you're simplifying things a bit too much. His first ability isn't a bolt, if anything it would be an Arena, or if you're making the comparison to Bolt, then it's a green Strafe. It doesn't just die though after you use that ability. You can take out a little dude, and flip him. You can waste him if you need to, and deal 3. Breeding Pit has an upkeep cost, and doesn't give you 2/2s.

The new Garruk gives you a creature each turn for free (after casting him). Which is built in protection for Garruk, and nice in and of itself. If you get him to flip, he gives you Deathtouch dudes (which BTW are nasty with his ultimate, and the new rules for Trample), or he lets you pop one of your tokens, for any creature in the deck.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
... and the new rules for Trample...

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Did I miss something? What are the new rules for Trample?

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I assume he's referring to the rules with deathtouch and trample where you only need to assign one point of damage regardless of toughness.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I assume he's referring to the rules with deathtouch and trample where you only need to assign one point of damage regardless of toughness.

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Are we sure this is correct? I'm almost certain that you still need to assign full damage before any trample damage carries over.

ie: My 5/5 trample with deathtouch is blocked by his two 2/2s. There would be 2 damage to each creature and 1 trample damage.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:

ie: My 5/5 trample with deathtouch is blocked by his two 2/2s. There would be 2 damage to each creature and 1 trample damage.

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You only have to assign "lethal damage", which in the new ruling on Deathtouch, is "at least one point of damage".

You can still choose to put in more (like if you thought your opponent could prevent a point of damage or something).

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if you haven't seen it

Snapcaster Mage Rare - 1U
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
When Snapcaster Mage enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost.
2/1

Snapcaster Mage 1u
Creature - Human Wizard (R)
Flash
When Snapcaster Mage enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost.
2/1
Illus. Volkan Baga

Witness is still better overall (since the Mage will require you to pay the mana cost on the same turn), and more flexible (since it's not limited to instants and sorceries). For flashing back Misstep, Daze (yay, double Daze!), or Snuff Out, Lightning Bolt, and Brainstorm of course, this is probably superior to Witness. It's interesting, and worth keeping an eye on. It is indeed very good. I wonder if it would be worth running in NO RUG.

EDIT: Sarnath'd.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Shapecaster Mage looks completely sick.

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Snapcaster Mage Rare - 1U
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
When Snapcaster Mage enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost.
2/1

good in standard, crazy in legacy and even vintage.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Did I miss something? What are the new rules for Trample?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I assume he's referring to the rules with deathtouch and trample where you only need to assign one point of damage regardless of toughness.

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Yeah.

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
Snapcaster Mage + Ancestral Visions = three cards for free.

I'd expect heavy play in decks that already use the Visions.

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No, that doesn't work. It checks and replicates the mana cost, not converted mana cost. Since Visions has a non-existent mana cost, it cannot be paid (and you can't suspend it).

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Originally posted by mtglover:
What about the alternate cost? Can you cast fow from graveyard by removing a blue card or do you need to pay 5 mana? How about phyrexian mana?

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FoW: Alternate costs are not the card's mana cost, so they don't count as a flashback cost.

Phyrexian mana: Works, since the mana cost is either P or X.

Incidentally, I mentioned Snuff Out earlier. I shouldn't have, since you'd have to pay 3B.

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Then again those are usually good enough for legacy anyhow...

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Originally posted by Bugger:
But on the other hand, any spell with a low mana cost and a prohibitive additional cost would be fantastic with the mage, no?

Then again those are usually good enough for legacy anyhow...

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Pretty sure you still have to pay the additional costs, even if you are flashing the spell back. flashback in this case is just changing where you are casting the card from. You are still casting it, so spells with 'as an additional cost to cast X' still require that.

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Originally posted by thror:
Pretty sure you still have to pay the additional costs, even if you are flashing the spell back. flashback in this case is just changing where you are casting the card from. You are still casting it, so spells with 'as an additional cost to cast X' still require that.

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Hurm. Nvm then.

Still, 2/1s for 1c that provide card advantage are provably solid in all formats right now (azure mage in standard, bob in legacy and modern)