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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
It can't be green's attempt at removal, seeing how it's activation cost is R. Honestly, it took them long enough to keyword it, although I honestly thought it would be called "Dueling". Kind of like there's a card called Rival's Duel. I think Duel evokes more flavor than Fighting. Look at Arena, Magus of the Arena, etc.

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Yeah, though I was assuming that the red activation on the Ranger was just for that one and that the other cards might either have green activation or no activation cost (aside from tapping).

Whatever they call it, I'm glad they're trying something. The old standby that green is the creature color and it deals with other creatures in combat ignores that blocking is optional. This is a decent side step and hopefully they are willing to push some of the fighters to make it a worthwhile attempt.

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Originally posted by chicken little:
4) Hey, its a draft, and i can see two of the cards in YOUR pack. And you took the red one. Now i can screw with your draft by cutting red in pack two, hurrah, this is fun.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
And using the backside of a flip card to screw an opponent in a draft could backfire.

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I'm mainly a collector these days, and one of the biggest points of collecting for me is the art. My personal collection is generally 1 of each card for a complete set stored in nice binders/pages. I store the cards back to back, 2 cards per pocket in the page. With this set, I will either need to:

a) Store them 1 card per page, so I can flip to the back and still see the "flip" art.

b) (most likely scenario) Collect 2 of each flip card so that I can still go back to back and keep all of the art visible.

This poses the problem that if I want to go with option b, I now need extra cards that I don't really actually want to be hanging on to. I will particularly not like it if there are "money" flip cards, not that it will actually deter me from collecting 2 of them.

On the plus side of course, there's more art =P

Can't wait to draft it, its going to be more difficult.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
The flip ability is only going to be on a minimal amount of cards when compared to the two hundred plus in the set. Just reserve those pockets for only one card, or if there's an even number of them get two of each and put the night side next to, or above, the day side.

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Assuming they didn't print multiple "Check list cards" then there's a grand total of 20 double faced cards in Innistrad.

I'm curious to see if they continue the double faced cards through the block and how many they'll have in all.

It doesn't really open up much design space that I can see but it streamlines the design of a lot of existing concepts like morph, level up, flip cards and things like dark depths / roc egg. I'm already loving that new 13/13 lizard that flips from an egg. How cool is that?

Sadly this is WOTC we're talking about, where they slow roll innovation as much as possible to "save" design space for future sets. So it might be 10 more years before they make flip lands and flip artifacts :,(

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Originally posted by PortlisX:

a) Store them 1 card per page, so I can flip to the back and still see the "flip" art.

b) (most likely scenario) Collect 2 of each flip card so that I can still go back to back and keep all of the art

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Originally posted by daner:
EDIT: I'm so glad you are around Bugger...you don't really know what it means right now to have one other sane person. I'm horribly tired of this "sky is falling" mentality from everyone.

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... I thought I was on your side... tear ...

Nder, I still hate the new card frames haha. I like the old, and I like the future shifted. If a card is made in said frames, I'd rather have that one (Meddling Mage, etc.)

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
Sadly this is WOTC we're talking about, where they slow roll innovation as much as possible to "save" design space for future sets. So it might be 10 more years before they make flip lands and flip artifacts :,(

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I agreed with you completely. But I understand why they would do it.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
I had the same thought. From a manufacturing standpoint, it seems like it would be difficult to foil the fronts and backs without foiling the backs of the normal cards. Unless of course, all the flip cards are printed on a separate sheet, but that would pose logistical problems as well. Sadly, my gut tells me only the front side will be foiled, but here's hoping I'm wrong.

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So if I am playing one or more checklists in place of my cards what am I supposed to do when I draw one and want to plan my turns? Pull out my sideboard and flip to the card so that I know what it does and my opponent knows what I've got too? Further even if I sleeve it up and have the card how to I find out what the back side does? Pull it out of the sleeve and announce it to the world? A huge part of playing magic at every level is about limiting your opponents info and maximizing your info. This mechanic doesn't play nice with that in several different ways and I hate it.

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Originally posted by bushe:
I've been pondering this since I read it yesterday on the site. Initially I hated it, because when playing limited I don't use sleeves. I don't think I'm alone in this. So I was thinking, well they have the checklist thingys so will it really be that big of a deal, but still I'm not liking it. Then I realized where the problem lies. When playing magic one of the most important things to do from time to time is to RTFC, this is particularly true in limited. Hell PV found out that Griffin Rider didn't default to flying after writing an article saying it did.

So if I am playing one or more checklists in place of my cards what am I supposed to do when I draw one and want to plan my turns? Pull out my sideboard and flip to the card so that I know what it does and my opponent knows what I've got too? Further even if I sleeve it up and have the card how to I find out what the back side does? Pull it out of the sleeve and announce it to the world? A huge part of playing magic at every level is about limiting your opponents info and maximizing your info. This mechanic doesn't play nice with that in several different ways and I hate it.

That is all.

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I am looking forward to using this area to bluff people at the prerelease (draw a swamp or something, then 'innocuously' look over and pick through my transform deck, stopping ever so slightly longer on a particularly game-breaking one) heh heh.

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Originally posted by psilence6k:
Both sides will be foil according to Garfield on Twitter .

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Does this mean the card WON'T curve? :O

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Lolz. That would be cool, right?

Will the card be heavier because it's double sided foil?

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Originally posted by psilence6k:
Both sides will be foil according to Garfield on Twitter .

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What's his twitter user name?

I can't seem to find it.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I am looking forward to using this area to bluff people at the prerelease (draw a swamp or something, then 'innocuously' look over and pick through my transform deck, stopping ever so slightly longer on a particularly game-breaking one) heh heh.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Does this mean the card WON'T curve? :O

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Does this mean the card WON'T curve? :O

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