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thror
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quote:
Originally posted by kirkusjones:
if I give capsize flashback with snapcaster mage, can I pay the buyback cost to return it to my hand?

Flashback'd cards will always be exiled, even if they are bought back, remanded, or even hindered. The exiling trumps all of that.

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I have a Doomed Traveler enchanted by Angelic Destiny when I use Elspeth's ability to destroy all non-land and non-token permanents. Where does the Angelic Destiny end up?

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My opponent use Tezz's ability to change his Inkmoth Nexus 1/1 infect flyer into a 5/5 infect. During my turn, I put a Fiend Hunter into play targetting the Inkmoth. During his turn he Go for the Throat my Hunter and claims that his inkmoth is still a 5/5 infect. Is it true or does it come back as a regular inkmoth nexus?
 
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When the inkmoth comes back, it's just a land again.

Edit: For more info: At the end of turn, inkmoth loses flying and infect. If they use the ability to animate it again, it reverts to a 1/1 with flying and infect. At the end of that turn, it goes back to being a 5/5 artifact creature without those abilities.

When elsepth's final ability (or akroma's vengeance or nevy's disk or whatever) goes off, destiny comes back to your hand. Even though it's destroyed at the same time, the destiny still sees the doomed traveler die

[Edited 1 times, lastly by LemonMeringue on November 14, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by nderdog:
I have a Doomed Traveler enchanted by Angelic Destiny when I use Elspeth's ability to destroy all non-land and non-token permanents. Where does the Angelic Destiny end up?

When multiple permanents leave play at the same time, they see each other leave play, which may cause the abilities of "dying" cards to trigger. In your case, you would get a spirit token from the Traveller and Angelic Destiny would end up in your hand.

This is sometimes called the "look back in time" rule. See Rule 603.6d of the Comprehensive Rules for more info.

EDIT: oops, Lemon got there first.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Opalshine on November 14, 2011]

 
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Bouncing a token kill it?

Example- Vapor Snag a token, Brimstone Volley the player. Does morbid kick in?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by DConNexus:
Does bouncing a token kill it?

Example- Vapor Snag a token, Brimstone Volley the player. Does morbid kick in?


If a token creature leaves the battlefield, it will cease to exist via SBEs. If it leaves the battlefield to go to the graveyard, it will turn on morbid before it ceases to exist. If a spell or ability causes a token to change zones, but not go to the graveyard, it will not turn on morbid.

110.5f. A token that’s phased out, or that’s in a zone other than the battlefield, ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)

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Can a sorcery that has flashback be flashbacked as an instant?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by DeMoNiC DuNcE on November 15, 2011]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
Can a sorcery that has flashback be flashbacked as an instant?

no

 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
Can a sorcery that has flashback be flashbacked as an instant?

No. It is the same card when it is flashbacked as it was when it is cast the 1st time.

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Would I be allowed to take my own Basic Lands to a Sealed Grand Prix? I recently played in a Sealed PTQ where they ran out of Plains so they told everyone to use another land type that was not in your deck for Plains.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
Would I be allowed to take my own Basic Lands to a Sealed Grand Prix? I recently played in a Sealed PTQ where they ran out of Plains so they told everyone to use another land type that was not in your deck for Plains.

Shouldnt be a problem, as long as they arent marked in any way. I know people that have done this just to save time (dont have to get up and go to the land station to deckbuild/sideboard)

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How does the infinite combo with Sculpting Steel and Sharuum work in Commander? I would think after sculpting Sharuum they would both go to the gravyard ending the cycle right there.

 
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It works just fine, the same as in a regular game. You just have to remember that, if Sharuum is your Commander, you have to let it go to the graveyard rather than sending it to the Commander zone.

In detail:
Sharuum in play.
Cast Sculpting Steel.
Sculpting Steel enters the battlefield as a copy of Sharuum, triggering the ETB effect.
SBA's are checked, sees two same-named Legendary permanents, and sends them both to the graveyard.
SBA's are checked again, see nothing to do.
Any outstanding triggers(in this case the Sculpting Sharuum) are placed on the stack.
This trigger brings back the original Sharuum, triggering it's ETB trigger.
This trigger brings back Sculpting Steel, copying Sharuum, and the loop restarts.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by WestWycke on November 17, 2011]

 
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And what do you tend to -do- with that infinite combo? Have other things in play that trigger on artifacts entering or leaving the battlefield?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
And what do you tend to -do- with that infinite combo? Have other things in play that trigger on artifacts entering or leaving the battlefield?

Disciple of the Vault, as the Morway article suggested.

 
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Ah...in my metagame, there is such a huge volume of removal and 187 guys that a creature like disciple doesn't last a pass of priority in most cases. Cute though, I'm sure I put one into my Sharuum deck just in case. I mean, there's already infinite mana and infinite turns in there, why not add infinite damage?
 
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Question that arose due to 3cb:

If i use Chain of Smog, targetting myself, and discard Emrakul, the Aeons Torn as one of the 2 cards, does Chain of Smog get shuffled into the library as well?

I know it's a question that's probably been answered a hundred times, but I always get confused as to when a card actually goes from the stack to the graveyard, and whether the 'shuffle trigger' will happen first.

Thanks for any help

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
If i use Chain of Smog, targetting myself, and discard Emrakul, the Aeons Torn as one of the 2 cards, does Chain of Smog get shuffled into the library as well?


Yes.
Emrakul's shuffle effect is a triggered ability (when, whenever, at) which means it uses the stack.

The absolute last thing that happens when resolving a spell is that the spell is moved off of the stack to the new zone.

So the scenario goes like this.

Chain of Smog is cast.

Chain of Smog resolves
- You, as the target, discard 2 cards. Emrakul and something else. Emrakul triggers.
- You, as the target, decide whether or not you want to put a copy on the stack. Pick target if you do.
- Chain of Smog goes to the graveyard.

Time to give priority to active player.
-SBA's are checked. In this scenario, nothing need to be done.
- Any outstanding triggers are placed on the stack. Emrakul's shuffle effect goes on the stack.
- Priority is given to the active player.

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When you counter something, it never entered play right? Exa-- Homora
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DConNexus:
When you counter something, it never entered play right? Exa-- Homora

Correct

 
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quote:
Originally posted by TinCup2:
Quick question I couldn't find anything about whether our not torpor orb will stop devour from happening


Devour is a static ability. "Devour N" means "As this object enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice any number of creatures. This permanent enters the battlefield with N +1/+1 counters on it for each creature sacrificed this way."

Torpor Orb {2} |Artifact| Creatures entering the battlefield don't cause abilities to trigger. 

Devour is not a triggered ability, torpor orb doesnt stop it.

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If you cast Snapcaster Mage while Essence of Wild is in play, can you still use Snapcaster's flashback ability?
 
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I have an insectile aberation in play, and a phantasmal image in play copying it. My opponent arc trails. Do both my guys die, or does image's sacrifice trigger fizzle arc trail?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If you cast Snapcaster Mage while Essence of Wild is in play, can you still use Snapcaster's flashback ability?

Rulings on gatherer about Essence of the Wild:

9/22/2011 Because creatures you control enter the battlefield as a copy of Essence of the Wild, any enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities printed on such creatures won't trigger.

So no, snapcaster doesnt get to flashback stuff.

quote:
I have an insectile aberation in play, and a phantasmal image in play copying it. My opponent arc trails. Do both my guys die, or does image's sacrifice trigger fizzle arc trail?

Spells only 'fizzle' if ALL of their targets are illegal upon resolution. So arc trail will kill both your guys.

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