But still, nothing changes until January. So for tonight, he is required to inform his opponents of mandatory triggers.
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[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
So next week if he forgets, he doesn't get the counter?

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Depends on what the IPG says. The previous version that was taken down had different rules for different Rules Level Enforcement's. Wait till that doc shows up and we'll know for sure.

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[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted

So if all you do is sneak in hulk on an empty board, punch with him then sacrifice him to end your turn, he goes away and stays away, and then you get your little mans. However, lifeline functions for all players and only cares about there being -any- other creature in play, so if you Sneak in Hulk and anybody including an opponent still has a creature in play when you sacrifice the hulk, you get all your little mans and the hulk back.

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Originally posted by psrex:
If I use Sneak Attack to play a Protean Hulk and have a Lifeline in play, what happens at the end of turn? Does Lifeline activate, or do all of the end of turn triggers go off at once, such that Protean Hulk isn't in the graveyard when Lifeline would trigger?

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I should have clarified that there is at least one other creature on the board when the Protean Hulk gets sacrificed.
Do I get the Protean Hulk at the end of my turn or at the end of my opponent's turn? By the time the Protean Hulk gets sacrificed the beginning of the end step has already gone by, so to me it seems like I should get the Protean Hulk back at the end of my opponent's turn.

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Originally posted by bawitheba:
Ok my question is about corpse dance. It is a instant from tempest that returns the top creature card from your graveyard to play. Now that you are allowed to change the order of your graveyard what shoul this card actually say. There is no eratta on it about this.

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Originally posted by bawitheba:
Ok my question is about corpse dance. It is a instant from tempest that returns the top creature card from your graveyard to play. Now that you are allowed to change the order of your graveyard what shoul this card actually say. There is no eratta on it about this.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
you lose. There is a rule if you both win and lose at the same time, then you lose. I'm sure you can find it if you need it quoted or such.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
you lose. There is a rule if you both win and lose at the same time, then you lose. I'm sure you can find it if you need it quoted or such.

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I could be incorrect here because you guys sound pretty confident, but I think you win the game before state based effects are even checked. Assuming you have 1 or less cards in the library, which wasn't stated in the original problem, when you cast the nights whisper you would win the game on the spells resolution. SBEs are checked only when any player would receive priority. The game is over as the spell resolves.

704.5. The state-based actions are as follows:
704.5a If a player has 0 or less life, he or she loses the game.
704.5b If a player attempted to draw a card from a library with no cards in it since the last time
state-based actions were checked, he or she loses the game.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Yah saw that, thanks. If I cast Zap with me at 0 cards in library and opponent at 1 life, the game is a draw correct? Because we both lose?

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pretty sure there should be a rule that you lose if you're caught playing with zap. Since there isn't, then its a draw.
See above rules, same applies.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
yah, you're incorrect.
editing in the rules since I'm being questioned ;p

104.3f If a player would both win and lose the game simultaneously, he or she loses the game.

704.5. The state-based actions are as follows:
704.5a If a player has 0 or less life, he or she loses the game.
704.5b If a player attempted to draw a card from a library with no cards in it since the last time
state-based actions were checked, he or she loses the game.

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The replacement effect causes you to win during the resolution of nights whisper, therefore you never reach the point at which state based effects are checked, the game is over.

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Originally posted by choco man:
If Blood Moon is in play, does Ruination destroy the lands Moon turned into mountains?

Does Blood Moon also help you turn on Valakut?

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Yes, they are still nonbasic. Basic / non basic is called a super type which Blood Moon does not interfere with at all.

No it doesn't help Valakut, because Valakut is turned into a mountain by Blood Moon.

For example, if I play Far Wanderings with 6 cards in my graveyard, do I get the Threshold effect?

Thanks,

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Originally posted by evilempire22:
If I play a card with Threshold, does it count itself as being in the graveyard for the purposes of the extra effect?

For example, if I play Far Wanderings with 6 cards in my graveyard, do I get the Threshold effect?

Thanks,

--Evil

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The LAST part of a spell resolving is putting it into the graveyard. So when you search for lands, the physical card is still on the stack, not in your graveyard. So no, it will not count itself.

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[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted

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Originally posted by Swift2210:
This question came up in my last EDH game. Does a piece of equipment granting Haste to a creature (with summoning sickness) dispel summoning sickness? That is, when the equipment is moved onto another creature will the first creature have summoning sickness or is it gone?

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The creature will still be 'Summoning Sick'. If the creature no longer has haste, it cannot attack.

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302.6. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the "summoning sickness" rule.

508.1a The active player chooses which creatures that he or she controls, if any, will attack. The chosen creatures must be untapped, and each one must either have haste or have been controlled by the active player continuously since the turn began.

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[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted

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Originally posted by Swift2210:
This question came up in my last EDH game. Does a piece of equipment granting Haste to a creature (with summoning sickness) dispel summoning sickness? That is, when the equipment is moved onto another creature will the first creature have summoning sickness or is it gone?

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"Haste" does not dispel ""Summoning Sickness". Instead, the ability allows creatures with "summoning sickness" to attack and tap.

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Originally posted by FlashFrozen:
The replacement effect causes you to win during the resolution of nights whisper, therefore you never reach the point at which state based effects are checked, the game is over.

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I'm adding this to your answer because I was pretty confused about the entire conversation until I read, then reread the card. This is a fine example of why people who are asking questions (and those answering if the askers did not) should use the autocard function. If your browser does not support it, you can probably download an Internet Explorere extension for your browser which will allow you to utilize it. It saves time in the long run, and if you click the link, you might just answer your own question!

Laboratory Maniac's replacement effect replaces the act of drawing a card. If you're a bonehead like me, or you simply aren't well-acquainted enough with Magic's rules, you might take the card to be saying that you win instead of losing, which is not the case.

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Originally posted by Phyrexian Angel:
By the way, is there any formal term for "summoning sickness"?

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