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Tha Gunslinga
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Post all your rules/tournament questions here and they will get answered. Please wait a bit before you think we ignored you, we all live lives outside of MOTL but we do answer when we see them.

If you are going to answer a question, please be 100% sure that your answer is correct. If you are just guessing or *think* you know the answer, keep it to yourself. There are plenty of judges and people who will know it correctly, and if multiple answers are given, it just confuses the person who asked.

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3 player edh: I delcare attack phase w/ saint traft. i then put into battlefield 4/4 angel token tapped and attacking. I attack opponent 1a with saint traft. attack opponent 2b w/ angel token. opponent 2b says can only attack 1 opponent w/ both creatures. I say, I can split attacks. which 1 is it?

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
3 player edh: I delcare attack phase w/ saint traft. i then put into battlefield 4/4 angel token tapped and attacking. I attack opponent 1a with saint traft. attack opponent 2b w/ angel token. opponent 2b says can only attack 1 opponent w/ both creatures. I say, I can split attacks. which 1 is it?


You can attack a different player or planeswalker.

Its on the gatherer rulings: http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247236

[Edited 1 times, lastly by JackSpade on October 31, 2011]

 
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Hum.... POX question.

If I have 1 life and my opponent cast a POX, since it's rounded up, do I lose my last life?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
3 player edh: I delcare attack phase w/ saint traft. i then put into battlefield 4/4 angel token tapped and attacking. I attack opponent 1a with saint traft. attack opponent 2b w/ angel token. opponent 2b says can only attack 1 opponent w/ both creatures. I say, I can split attacks. which 1 is it?


I'll add something here.
The confusion comes from ninjutsu where you have to attack the same player / planeswalker.
In this case you choose.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Hum.... POX question.

If I have 1 life and my opponent cast a POX, since it's rounded up, do I lose my last life?


yes

 
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Myr Superion says Spend only mana produced by creatures to cast Myr Superion. My question is with a Heartless Summoning in play can a Myr Superion be played for free since Heartless Summoning lowers all creature spell costs by 2 or does there still need to be mana produced by creatures to play a Myr Superion even if Myr Superion now costs 0 to play?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by mm1983 on November 02, 2011]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Myr Superion says Spend only mana produced by creatures to cast Myr Superion. My question is with a Heartless Summoning in play can a Myr Superion be played for free since Heartless Summoning lowers all creature spell costs by 2 or does there still need to be mana produced by creatures to play a Myr Superion even if Myr Superion now costs 0 to play?

Since Myr Superion will cost zero mana with heartless summoning in play, he can be cast for zero mana; you don't need mana producing creatures to produce zero mana.

Side note: Apparently in German the name for this card is Ubermyr. I had someone at states announcing uber myr whenever he would play one, but I didn't realize it was actually printed on the card until after the game when he pointed it out. I thought it was cute.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by caquaa on November 02, 2011]

 
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A friend of mine played a Incinerate on a creature last night and his opponent casted a Ranger's Guile.

I just wanna make sure;

Incinerate is on the stack without having a target yet so the Ranger's Guile is the last spell on the stack and resolves first so the Incinerate fizzle right?

or (the one I hope is wrong)

Incinerate goes on the stack with a target so even if Ranger's Guile resolves first, the Incinerate was already targetting the creature and gets through?

 
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Player 1 says "I cast incinerate targetting creature X" the game checks if creature X is a legal target, it is, so the spell goes on the stack.

Player 1 passes priority, Player 2 says "In response, I cast Ranger's Guile on creature X" the game checks if creature X is a legal target, it is, so the spell goes on the stack.

Player 1 passes priority, Player 2 passes priority, Ranger's Guile checks if Creature X is still legal, it is, it resolves.

Pass, Pass, Incinerate checks if Creature X is still legal, it isn't, the spell is countered on resolution and put into the graveyard.

 
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Thanks
 
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can I protoype portal a lotus bloom? you know what I mean
 
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Yes, lotus bloom's converted mana cost is 0, so you can put it on prototype portal and make them for free.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
Yes, lotus bloom's converted mana cost is 0, so you can put it on prototype portal and make them for free.

thanks

 
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Fallen Ferromancer has an ability of paying 1 and a mountain, then tap to deal 1 damage.

Can I pay multiple, say 2 and 2 mountains, then tap to deal 2 damage?

It seems to me like the way the card is written, and because you pay the 2, then tap.. you could first pump up more than 1 time, then tap..

any one know for sure?

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quote:
Originally posted by luka4050:
Fallen Ferromancer has an ability of paying 1 and a mountain, then tap to deal 1 damage.

Can I pay multiple, say 2 and 2 mountains, then tap to deal 2 damage?

It seems to me like the way the card is written, and because you pay the 2, then tap.. you could first pump up more than 1 time, then tap..

any one know for sure?


You have to pay the whole cost once (1R, T) to get the effect once. You'd need some way to untap him if you want to activate that ability again in the same turn.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by luka4050:
Fallen Ferromancer has an ability of paying 1 and a mountain, then tap to deal 1 damage.

Can I pay multiple, say 2 and 2 mountains, then tap to deal 2 damage?

It seems to me like the way the card is written, and because you pay the 2, then tap.. you could first pump up more than 1 time, then tap..

any one know for sure?


No, the tapping is part of the cost. So to use the ability, you have to pay 1R *and* tap the card (all together), making it impossible to use it a second time before somehow untapping the Ferromancer.

Note that if it were written without the tap symbol, i.e., "1R : blah blah", it would work as you say. Abilities can be used as many times as desired, but the cost of the ability must be paid, entirely, each and every time.

 
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ah, ok then. Thanks!

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Can I use venser to flicker gideon, and have gideon return with 6 loyalty counters?
 
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Yes, when gideon comes into play he has 6 loyalty counters again
 
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Can you Time Stop in response to mana being tapped by the opponent, therefore forcing them to end the turn and get mana burn?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Irate:
Can you Time Stop in response to mana being tapped by the opponent, therefore forcing them to end the turn and get mana burn?

No, for multiple reasons.
1) Mana abilities do not use the stack and cannot be responded to.
2) Mana burn doesnt exist anymore.

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quote:
Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
Can I use venser to flicker gideon, and have gideon return with 6 loyalty counters?

to add to the previous answer (since it seems like this might come up):
When gideon enters the battlefield again, the game will view it as a new gideon. If you have used gideon's +2 ability, the opponent's creatures would not have to attack the "new" gideon.

 
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if I give capsize flashback with snapcaster mage, can I pay the buyback cost to return it to my hand?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by kirkusjones:
if I give capsize flashback with snapcaster mage, can I pay the buyback cost to return it to my hand?

It will exile after it leaves the stack.

 

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