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TimeBeing
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posted December 10, 2011 01:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:

Thanks for all the O-ring convo. I was playing that game out on Cockatrice. I moved the O-ring to the stack. Said, k? he said k, and I moved the o-ring to play. So now o-ring has resolved and the targeting goes on the stack. He then taps SFM and drops in Batterskull. So I took it. Seemed like more a timing mistake on his part. I even asked him if he wanted to take it back . We played on. He still won 2-1.

You would not be able to take the Batterskull. You need to choose targets when the ability goes on the stack. Batterskull isn't in play yet so it not a legal target. Targets are chosen on announcement not resolution.

O-Ring is special because when it comes into play is when the ability with a target triggers. Unlike say pacifism, where the target is choose on announcement.

 
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posted December 12, 2011 07:47 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Soldier Boi Click Here to Email Soldier Boi Send a private message to Soldier Boi Click to send Soldier Boi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Two questions.
If my creature has protection from green and I fight a green creature does it still prevent the damage?

If I have a bloodmoon in play and play price of progress does it still do damage for the newly created mountains since they are not basic mountains?

 
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If your creature has pro-green and it fights a green creature, the damage is prevented. Protection from something prevents all damage, no matter how it's caused.

Blood moon turns nonbasics into mountains, but they are still nonbasic, so price of progress still does the dirty.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
If your creature has pro-green and it fights a green creature, the damage is prevented. Protection from something prevents all damage, no matter how it's caused.

Blood moon turns nonbasics into mountains, but they are still nonbasic, so price of progress still does the dirty.


That is awesome. I'm starting to love Daybreak Ranger more and more.

 
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Kitchen Finks/Melira

If the Finks already have a -1/-1 counter on them when Melira comes into play, since she doesn't remove any counters, when they sac the Fink to Seer, that's it right? No infinite Scry/Life?

 
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Doesn't come back because of the basic definition of persist printed on the card.
 
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I cant find the ruling i am looking for. when do i need to declare my attacking creature is going to either hit a player or a planeswalker?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by denholm:
I cant find the ruling i am looking for. when do i need to declare my attacking creature is going to either hit a player or a planeswalker?

When you declare attackers you declare what they are attacking at that time... the opponent or the planeswalker.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
If your creature has pro-green and it fights a green creature, the damage is prevented. Protection from something prevents all damage, no matter how it's caused.

Blood moon turns nonbasics into mountains, but they are still nonbasic, so price of progress still does the dirty.


Does this mean that if Blood Moon is in play, then Valakuut comes down, (say off the usual Scapeshift) that Valakuut still triggers?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by keywacat on December 15, 2011]

 
Meddling Pimp
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quote:
Originally posted by keywacat:
Does this mean that if Blood Moon is in play, then Valakuut comes down, (say off the usual Scapeshift) that Valakuut still triggers?

No. Valakut is a non-basic mountain with no abilities other than tapping to produce red mana.

 
Tha Gunslinga
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If I use Phyrexian Metamorph to copy an animated Mishra's Factory, what happens to it? Does it turn into a land or stay animated?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
If I use Phyrexian Metamorph to copy an animated Mishra's Factory, what happens to it? Does it turn into a land or stay animated?


It is an unanimated (artifact) factory

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Meddling Pimp on December 19, 2011]

 
Tha Gunslinga
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Can it animate or do anything? Is there any point to copying Factory with Metamorph then?

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Meddling Pimp
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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Can it animate or do anything? Is there any point to copying Factory with Metamorph then?


It has all of factory's abilities. You can animate it

 
Tha Gunslinga
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Sweet, thank you. It's still a land then?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Sweet, thank you. It's still a land then?


yes

 
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Blood Moon questions:

It immediately changes a non-basic land entering play into a Mountain, and it does so before abilities that trigger on the original entering play trigger. [D'Angelo 1999/08/01]

Sacred Foundry gets put onto the battlefield. Does the pay 2 life or tap it clause do anything?

Is Darksteel Citadel still an artifact? It is not indestructible, correct?

Flagstones of Trokair in play and another enters. Still legendary right? Both still die right? Since it has, "When Flagstones of Trokair is put into a graveyard from the battlefield", each one still searches for a plains, right?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Blood Moon questions:

It immediately changes a non-basic land entering play into a Mountain, and it does so before abilities that trigger on the original entering play trigger. [D'Angelo 1999/08/01]

Is Darksteel Citadel still an artifact? It is not indestructible, correct?

Flagstones of Trokair in play and another enters. Still legendary right? Both still die right? Since it has, "When Flagstones of Trokair is put into a graveyard from the battlefield", each one still searches for a plains, right?


Correct on Darksteel Citadel. Flagstones is still legendary, sure. But it doesnt have that ability anymore. So no plains for you. I think i know how the shocklands work, but im not actually sure. Anyone else?

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
[url=http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=89066]Sacred Foundry[/url gets put onto the battlefield. Does the pay 2 life or tap it clause do anything?

Yes, it does. Cards with "as this ETBs" abilities aren't on the battlefield when you make any choices associated with the ability. If you do not pay 2 life, your non-basic mountain will ETB tapped.

"603.6e. Some permanents have text that reads “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” “As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,” “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . ,” or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield tapped.” Such text is a static ability—not a triggered ability—whose effect occurs as part of the event that puts the permanent onto the battlefield."

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Sacred Foundry gets put onto the battlefield. Does the pay 2 life or tap it clause do anything?

Yes. At the time it applies (as it enters the battlefield), it still has that ability, so you either pay 2 or it enters tapped.

 
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If I have a Basilisk Collar on a Pestilence Demon would Hexproof or Indestructability save my creatures? I dont know if Pestilence Demon targets every creature or if its more global.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
If I have a Basilisk Collar on a Pestilence Demon would Hexproof or Indestructability save my creatures? I dont know if Pestilence Demon targets every creature or if its more global.

Hexproof, no (it does not target). Indestructibility, yes.

 
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So now that wizards changed their mind again:

I'm playing a deck vs RDW six hours form now. He forgets his shrine trigger during his upkeep. Counter or no counter?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
So now that wizards changed their mind again:

I'm playing a deck vs RDW six hours form now. He forgets his shrine trigger during his upkeep. Counter or no counter?


Rules dont take effect till January. Still have to remind him.

Also, at FNM, its still 'casual' REL, so you still have to remind him anyway. Changes only apply to Competitive (PTQs/GP day1) and Professional (GP day2, PT) REL.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
Rules dont take effect till January. Still have to remind him.

Also, at FNM, its still 'casual' REL, so you still have to remind him anyway. Changes only apply to Competitive (PTQs/GP day1) and Professional (GP day2, PT) REL.


I think that Jan IPG was removed?

 

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