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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, part 50: Post ALL your Rules Questions Here
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CubFan81 Member
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posted January 24, 2012 11:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: Yes. The Image comes back as an Image, not as an Archmage.
Intersting. Follow up: Does the Image come back with a -1/-1 counter? What happens if on an empty board (besides lands) my opponent plays Show and Tell/Eureka and chooses to put in Emrakul/Progenitus and I chose Gilded Drake. As far as I can tell, the Drake's ability is targeted so Progenitus means I lose the Drake but can I grab his Emrakul? Does it make a difference which spell he used?
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Kyzneg Member
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posted January 24, 2012 08:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by CubFan81: Intersting. Follow up: Does the Image come back with a -1/-1 counter?What happens if on an empty board (besides lands) my opponent plays Show and Tell/Eureka and chooses to put in Emrakul/Progenitus and I chose Gilded Drake. As far as I can tell, the Drake's ability is targeted so Progenitus means I lose the Drake but can I grab his Emrakul? Does it make a difference which spell he used?
You're correct, you would be forced to sacrifice the Drake in the Progenitus example, and can target the Emrakul, the Drake is not a spell when it's ability targets, so Emrakul's protection ability doesn't apply. As for the Show and Tell/Eureka distinction, it generally won't matter, unless your opponent is playing Eureka and chooses to put something else into play after the Progenitus and Gilded Drake have already been put into play. The Drake's trigger won't be put on the stack until the Eureka has finished resolving, so if that happens, you can (probably) target the other creature to avoid having to sacrifice the Drake. Edit: And yes, the Phantasmal Image will enter the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it when it persists.
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southparker2002 Member
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posted January 25, 2012 09:56 AM
What happens if I control Transcendence and a Felidar Sovereign and a Platinum Angel. Would the Angel prevent my game loss at more than 20 life and I'd still win with 40? What if the Angel dies?
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DeMoNiC DuNcE Member
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posted January 25, 2012 01:26 PM
If I control an essence of the wild and Guttergrime, when a nontoken creature dies, does the token enter as an essence of the wild with power and toughness equal to 6/6 or will it base its power and toughness off the counters on Guttergrime?
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WeedIan Member
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posted January 25, 2012 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by southparker2002: What happens if I control Transcendence and a Felidar Sovereign and a Platinum Angel. Would the Angel prevent my game loss at more than 20 life and I'd still win with 40? What if the Angel dies?
You don't lose because the Angel is in Play "You can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game" Yes you would win still at 40 life. If the Angel dies and you are over 20 you would lose the game.
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WestWycke Member
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posted January 26, 2012 11:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE: If I control an essence of the wild and Guttergrime, when a nontoken creature dies, does the token enter as an essence of the wild with power and toughness equal to 6/6 or will it base its power and toughness off the counters on Guttergrime?
Essence of the Wild has a replacement effect that makes all creatures ETB as a copy of Essence of the Wild. It doesn't matter how they got onto the battlefield, or what they would have looked like. They enter as copies of EotW. __________________ "If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?""I intend to live forever. So far, so good."
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Crash21 Member
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posted January 26, 2012 11:49 AM
Legal or not?Scion of the Ur-Dragon in play. Pay 2 to copy Skittles. In response, before it resolves, pay 2 to copy Moltensteel Dragon. Pump +6/+0 (12 life) into it before Skittles resolves. Pay B to give Scion haste and kill someone with your 10/4 Infect creature. Thanks!
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Devonin Member
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posted January 26, 2012 07:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Crash21: Legal or not?Scion of the Ur-Dragon in play. Pay 2 to copy Skittles. In response, before it resolves, pay 2 to copy Moltensteel Dragon. Pump +6/+0 (12 life) into it before Skittles resolves. Pay B to give Scion haste and kill someone with your 10/4 Infect creature. Thanks!
You certainly can, and it's very rude to do so.
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Crash21 Member
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posted January 27, 2012 06:53 AM
When you're playing against players that have no qualms about dropping a turn 3 Lightning Greaved Ulamog or It That Betrays, or Mind Twisting away your 6-card hand on turn 3, I tend to think that the play is more appropriate than rude. It's certainly not something I would do against more casual decks.And thank you for your response.
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orcishartillery Member
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posted January 27, 2012 09:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by southparker2002: What happens if I control Transcendence and a Felidar Sovereign and a Platinum Angel. Would the Angel prevent my game loss at more than 20 life and I'd still win with 40? What if the Angel dies?
Unless you have a way to break the resulting loop, the game would end in a draw.Transcendence's ability reads "When you have 20 or more life, you lose the game." This is a state trigger, which triggers whenever the game is in the appropriate state (except when the ability is already on the stack). As Transcendence's ability resolves, Platinum Angel prevents you from losing the game. Afterwards, you still have 20 or more life, so the ability immediately triggers again. This is a loop containing only mandatory actions, so without a way to break the loop, the game ends in a draw.
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Trumpeter New Member
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posted January 29, 2012 11:51 PM
I have 2 questions:1. If a person attacks me with Kozilek (or another annihilator creature), can I use Act of Aggression to control Kozilek AND sacrifice him as a requirement of annihilator? (Obviously, that is in addition to the others I sacrifice.) 2. If I have Urabrask out and I play a creature, attack and an opponent kills Urabrask, can the other creature still be attacking since it no longer has haste?
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Loathing Member
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posted January 29, 2012 11:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Trumpeter: I have 2 questions:1. If a person attacks me with Kozilek (or another annihilator creature), can I use Act of Aggression to control Kozilek AND sacrifice him as a requirement of annihilator? (Obviously, that is in addition to the others I sacrifice.) 2. If I have Urabrask out and I play a creature, attack and an opponent kills Urabrask, can the other creature still be attacking since it no longer has haste?
1) Yes, if you gain control of Kozilek before the Annihilator trigger resolves. 2) Yes.
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ryan2754 Member
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posted January 30, 2012 05:39 AM
I know this is a totally noob question, but can a creature with an activated ability involving sacrificing a creature be used on itself? And still get the ability (portion after the colon)?For example: Deranged Outcast from DKA. Can I sac it to itself and still get 2 +1/+1 counters for another creature? __________________ -Schmitty 5th in Refs [228] in OH-IO (4 behind helper monkey) 2nd in Posts [6607] in OH-IO (only 1500 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
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OGB Member
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posted January 30, 2012 06:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: I know this is a totally noob question, but can a creature with an activated ability involving sacrificing a creature be used on itself? And still get the ability (portion after the colon)?For example: Deranged Outcast from DKA. Can I sac it to itself and still get 2 +1/+1 counters for another creature?
Absolutely. __________________ 2010 Homer Simpson Award Winnerhttp://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016901.html
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted January 30, 2012 02:35 PM
If Withenger goes to the graveyard does it transform back to Elbrus?
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choco man Member
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posted January 30, 2012 02:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: If Withenger goes to the graveyard does it transform back to Elbrus?
If Withenger dies, it will stay in gy.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted January 31, 2012 06:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: If Withenger goes to the graveyard does it transform back to Elbrus?
quote: Originally posted by choco man: If Withenger dies, it will stay in gy.
That is not an answer to the question. Since the question isn't completely clear-- it seems you used "transform" inappropriately-- let me make sure what you are asking. You want to know which side is up when it's in the 'yard, right? That will always be the front side. It does not, however, count as transforming for any game purpose of the word. __________________ *My LJ*Letter Bombs!*Facebook*Logout- I had it second!*CKGB
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Trumpeter New Member
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posted January 31, 2012 11:54 PM
I have another question except more in depth. (Sorry to be such a bother.)I'm sure you could guess the difficulty here if I just said, "It's a question about double strike and trample." Say I have a 4/4 double strike and trample creature and it gets blocked by a 4/1 first strike. The first step would be the first strike in which they both hit at the same time, therefore, lethal damage on both, right? Then, since the attacker has trample does 3 damage from the first strike go through in addition to the next 4 damage (via the double strike)? If I understand double strike correctly, it essentially has 8 damage to deal. Since it has trample, that damage is subtracted by the blocker's toughness (which is 1) to 7. OR does the double strike just count the damage that went through during the first strike step? For example, since only 3 damage made it through that step, then 6 damage total would go through. Or am I just way off here? Thanks
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Loathing Member
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posted February 01, 2012 12:29 AM
I believe only 3 damage goes through. Double-strike means that the creature deals both first strike and normal combat damage. However, since in your example the creature dies during the first strike damage step it doesn't deal any normal damage.
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Kyzneg Member
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posted February 01, 2012 12:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Trumpeter: I have another question except more in depth. (Sorry to be such a bother.)I'm sure you could guess the difficulty here if I just said, "It's a question about double strike and trample." Say I have a 4/4 double strike and trample creature and it gets blocked by a 4/1 first strike. The first step would be the first strike in which they both hit at the same time, therefore, lethal damage on both, right? Then, since the attacker has trample does 3 damage from the first strike go through in addition to the next 4 damage (via the double strike)? If I understand double strike correctly, it essentially has 8 damage to deal. Since it has trample, that damage is subtracted by the blocker's toughness (which is 1) to 7. OR does the double strike just count the damage that went through during the first strike step? For example, since only 3 damage made it through that step, then 6 damage total would go through. Or am I just way off here? Thanks
First strike is handled in a different combat damage step prior to the normal combat damage step. quote: MTG Comprehensive Rules 702.7b:
If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step.The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike.
So in that first combat damage step, the 4/4 with double strike and trample (creature A) will need to assign at least 1 damage to the 4/1 with first strike (Creature B) and at most 3 damage to the defending player. At the same time, creature B deals 4 damage to creature A. After damage is dealt, state based effects are checked, and both creatures will be put into their owner's graveyards, as both have been assigned lethal damage. At this point, after any triggered abilities have resolved and both players pass priority, the second combat damage step will happen, and since neither creature is still on the battlefield (and since creature B didn't have double-strike anyway), they won't deal any damage during the 2nd combat damage step. It's important to remember that while combat damage doesn't stack any more, the active player still gets priority after combat damage has been dealt, which means that state based effects and triggered abilities still happen in the combat damage step(s). lt;dr version: the attacking creature will deal 1 to the blocking creature and 3 to the defending player, for 4 damage total.
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Browbeater Member
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posted February 03, 2012 02:04 AM
Had a game where this came up: Attack with Kaalia, and lay Dread Cacodemon with the effect. What should have happened?
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Kyzneg Member
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posted February 03, 2012 02:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Browbeater: Had a game where this came up: Attack with Kaalia, and lay Dread Cacodemon with the effect. What should have happened?
quote: Oracle text for Dread Cacodemon: When Dread Cacodemon enters the battlefield, if you cast it from your hand
Kaalia doesn't cast the creatures she puts into play, so the Cacodemon was never cast, let alone from the Kaalia player's hand, so it's just an 8/8 attacker.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted February 03, 2012 03:10 AM
My opponent and I both control a Tarmogoyf, and I also have a Knight of the Reliquary in play, and a Maelstrom Pulse in my hand.1) If I play Sejiri Steppe giving my Tarmogoyf protection from black, then target my opponent's Tarmogoyf with the Pulse, will my Tarmogoyf still be destroyed? 2) If I target my Tarmogoyf with Pulse, then in response tap the Knight and sac a land to get Sejiri Steppe into play and give my Tarmogoyf protection from black, will my opponent's Tarmogoyf be destroyed?
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caquaa Member
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posted February 03, 2012 04:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: My opponent and I both control a Tarmogoyf, and I also have a Knight of the Reliquary in play, and a Maelstrom Pulse in my hand.1) If I play Sejiri Steppe giving my Tarmogoyf protection from black, then target my opponent's Tarmogoyf with the Pulse, will my Tarmogoyf still be destroyed? 2) If I target my Tarmogoyf with Pulse, then in response tap the Knight and sac a land to get Sejiri Steppe into play and give my Tarmogoyf protection from black, will my opponent's Tarmogoyf be destroyed?
1) Maelstrom pulse isn't targeting your goyf so it doesn't care that it has protection; Pulse will destroy your goyf. 2) Pulse is targeting your goyf, so pulse will care that your goyf has protection. Pulse will be countered upon resolution because the target is illegal due to having protection. Try otherworldly journey or some such card as protection won't achieve your desired goal.
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Schwingzilla Member
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posted February 05, 2012 08:22 PM
How do double-faced cards work with Ixidron?
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