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AEther Storm
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
For clarity, you can cast a misdirection targeting a duress. Misdirection only needs to target a spell with a single target, it just can't change the target if there is no new legal target. Figured its worth elaborating on.

Sometimes you have to get cards out of your hand to make them choose the Psychic Purge


Ah yes, you're right. I didn't explain myself correctly

 
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This hasn't happened to me yet, but was curious if it would work.


Could I have a Meddling Mage already in play with [random card] for it's ability.

My opponent tries to play any spell. Can I in response cloudshift the mage to name the card my opponent is playing and essentially counter that spell?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
This hasn't happened to me yet, but was curious if it would work.


Could I have a Meddling Mage already in play with [random card] for it's ability.

My opponent tries to play any spell. Can I in response cloudshift the mage to name the card my opponent is playing and essentially counter that spell?



No they have already played the spell so it wont stop it.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
This hasn't happened to me yet, but was curious if it would work.


Could I have a Meddling Mage already in play with [random card] for it's ability.

My opponent tries to play any spell. Can I in response cloudshift the mage to name the card my opponent is playing and essentially counter that spell?


No. Once the spell is on the stack, changing what's named with the mage will have no effect on it resolving.

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This happened the other night:

I had out Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and my opponent had out Fire Servant. He used Cerebral Eruption and I had a card with 5 CMC (Garruk, Primal Hunter) on top of my library. I was at 5. In which order which order do they resolve? Gisela first or Fire Servant? (It was either my losing that turn or my brother losing the next turn with my board. We just started another game because we had no clue.)

 
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Originally posted by Trumpeter:
This happened the other night:

I had out Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and my opponent had out Fire Servant. He used Cerebral Eruption and I had a card with 5 CMC (Garruk, Primal Hunter) on top of my library. I was at 5. In which order which order do they resolve? Gisela first or Fire Servant? (It was either my losing that turn or my brother losing the next turn with my board. We just started another game because we had no clue.)


If multiple replacement effects would modify how damage would be dealt, the player being dealt damage (or the controller of the permanent being dealt damage) chooses the order in which to apply those effects.

So you could reduce it to 2 which doubles to 4.

 
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What happens with Serra Ascendant in a two-headed giant match? Does it enter the battlefield with the +5/+5 and flying?
 
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Originally posted by TomB999:
What happens with Serra Ascendant in a two-headed giant match? Does it enter the battlefield with the +5/+5 and flying?

Right on the gatherer page for the card:

In a Two-Headed Giant game, anything that cares about your life total checks your team's life total. (This is a change from previous rules.) Serra Ascendant gets +5/+5 and has flying as long as your team has 30 or more life.

 
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{W}, {T}: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library. Activate this ability only if an opponent controls more lands than you.

If my opponent has 2 lands and I have a plains and a fetch. Can I crack my fetch and in response use this ability to get a land?

 
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Yes
 
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ok I have on the feild 2 BoP 1 avycans pilgrim and 1 unbound wolfir silverhear i play infinet reflection on the silverheart turning the 2 BoP and 1 pilgrim into silverhearts
can i then bound the 2 Bop together and the pilgrim to the silverheart giving me 4 8/8 silverhearts?
 
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Yes, only they would be 12/12 wolfir's instead, each giving thier own +4+4 abilities.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by xaretnapx:
Yes, only they would be 12/12 wolfir's instead, each giving thier own +4+4 abilities.


uh no.

They become wolfirs, yes. But the trigger is only when they enter the battlefield. Since they are already in the field the triggers dont happen.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by jaxsonpride:
ok I have on the feild 2 BoP 1 avycans pilgrim and 1 unbound wolfir silverhear i play infinet reflection on the silverheart turning the 2 BoP and 1 pilgrim into silverhearts
can i then bound the 2 Bop together and the pilgrim to the silverheart giving me 4 8/8 silverhearts?

no, you cannot. A creature must enter the battlefield to trigger soulbond; simply becoming a different creature via the reflection isn't enough to trigger soulbond.

 
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Does damage wear off right at the beginning of the end step? For example, if I cast Giant Growth on my Llanowar Elves and block a 2/2, does the 2 damage marked on the elves go away before the effect of Giant Growth ends?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by marenubium:
Does damage wear off right at the beginning of the end step? For example, if I cast Giant Growth on my Llanowar Elves and block a 2/2, does the 2 damage marked on the elves go away before the effect of Giant Growth ends?


5. Turn Structure
500. General
501. Beginning Phase
502. Untap Step
503. Upkeep Step
504. Draw Step
505. Main Phase
506. Combat Phase
507. Beginning of Combat Step
508. Declare Attackers Step
509. Declare Blockers Step
510. Combat Damage Step
511. End of Combat Step
512. Ending Phase
513. End Step <--- Beginning of end step
514. Cleanup Step <------- stuff you mentioned happens here

514.2. Second, the following actions happen simultaneously: all damage marked on permanents (including phased-out permanents) is removed and all “until end of turn” and “this turn” effects end. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by xaretnapx:
Yes, only they would be 12/12 wolfir's instead, each giving thier own +4+4 abilities.

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My opponent has a planeswalker in play, and I cast Slagstorm choosing to deal 3 damage to each player. Can I redirect the 3 damage that would be dealt to my opponent to their planeswalker?
 
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
My opponent has a planeswalker in play, and I cast Slagstorm choosing to deal 3 damage to each player. Can I redirect the 3 damage that would be dealt to my opponent to their planeswalker?

Yes. Any noncombat damage you deal to them can be redirected to a planeswalker they control.

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Thanks caquaa, appreciate it!
 
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It's required that you put your deck back to its original state after a full set, right? And if a player does not, how is the situation ruled?
 
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If you mean between matches? Your deck needs to be back in its original state, unsideboarded, unless you're playing Sealed, in which case you can basically present any deck composed of your sealed pool, even between games.

If you don't, you have an illegal deck. The penalty would depend on at which level you were playing, but I'd imagine in most cases, Match loss, if not disqualification.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
unless you're playing Sealed, in which case you can basically present any deck composed of your sealed pool, even between games.

there isn't any provision for this in the rules. You must return your deck to its original state between matches in all cases.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
there isn't any provision for this in the rules. You must return your deck to its original state between matches in all cases.

At Regular REL with no deck lists, for sealed/draft events, you are allowed to change your deck. You do not have to return it between matches. (pre-releases, release event and FNM are good examples of when this is ok)

The rule is MTR 7.2
"Players participating in Limited tournaments that do not use decklists may freely change the composition of their
decks between matches by exchanging cards from their deck for cards in their sideboard without being required to
return their deck to its original composition before their next match. The Head Judge or Tournament Organizer
must inform players if this option is not being used prior to the start of deckbuilding. This option is not available
at Competitive or Professional REL tournaments."


For constructed events at all level you need to return you deck to it preside-boarded state before each game.

[Edited 4 times, lastly by TimeBeing on June 27, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
If you mean between matches? Your deck needs to be back in its original state, unsideboarded, unless you're playing Sealed, in which case you can basically present any deck composed of your sealed pool, even between games.

If you don't, you have an illegal deck. The penalty would depend on at which level you were playing, but I'd imagine in most cases, Match loss, if not disqualification.


The first time penalty is almost always a game loss (casual REL the judge may downgrade to a warning + fix) if it is accidental (ie you realize when you draw your opening 7 that X card shouldnt be there and call a judge, or when you go to sideboard for game2 and realize you didnt deboard). If it's found to be a habit, or you realize you didnt deboard but dont inform a judge, it will turn into a cheating investigation, with a penalty of Disqualification++.

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