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caquaa
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quote:
Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
If you ask the player how many cards they have left in the library do they have to tell you, cos a player in a draft tourney said the player doesn't have to tell you.


its public information:
401.3. Any player may count the number of cards remaining in any player’s library at any time.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
its public information:
401.3. Any player may count the number of cards remaining in any player’s library at any time.

Did you ask several times? Even if it is public information you might have just ****ed the guy off. Whenever there's a mill theme in drafts, I come across players who absolutely must know the size of my deck each and every turn even if it hasn't changed since the last time they asked. There's public knowledge and then there's public courtesy. Bring a notepad if you can't remember but absolutely must know.

(You can of course ask within reason, but still, don't be a jerk)

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Volcanon on April 20, 2012]

 
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If a phantasmal image copies a manland, say inkmoth nexus, at the end of the turn does the phantasmal image stay an inkmoth creature or does it just become a land. And if it stays a land would animating it back into a creature target it causing of to die?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by xxxcryoserumxxx:
If a phantasmal image copies a manland, say inkmoth nexus, at the end of the turn does the phantasmal image stay an inkmoth creature or does it just become a land.

Actually, Phantasmal Image copies the original card, not any effects that have been applied to it. This means that if a Phantasmal Image copies an animated Inkmoth Nexus, the result is an unanimated Inkmoth Nexus with the PI's additional "If I'm targetted, sac me" clause.

quote:
Originally posted by xxxcryoserumxxx:
And if it stays a land would animating it back into a creature target it causing of to die?


Animating the Phantasmal Image/Inkmoth Nexus will not target it. Only spells or abilities with the word target in their text box or rules definitions will target something.
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Originally posted by Comprehensive Rules:
114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target.

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Thank you.
 
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If I control Sylvan Library and have 3 Stinkweed Imp in my graveyard, I can dredge up to 3 times, right?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
If I control Sylvan Library and have 3 Stinkweed Imp in my graveyard, I can dredge up to 3 times, right?

I believe so, and you don't even have to put anything on top of your library!

 
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Originally posted by nailbunny7:
I believe so, and you don't even have to put anything on top of your library!

That's only true if you do dredge all three times. If you replace any of Sylvan Library's draws with a replacement effect, the rest of the effect still happens. So if you drew for turn, and then dredged twice, you'd still have to pay 4 life or put back the card you drew because the "If you do, choose two cards in your hand drawn this turn. For each of those cards, pay 4 life or put the card on top of your library." part would still find a card drawn that turn.

So if you also drew cards from some -other- effect (Cantrips, Howling Mine, etc) even if both of Sylvan Library's extra draws were replaced, you'd still have to choose two cards you drew and resolve those.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on April 25, 2012]

 
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Cultural Exchange

Do I understand correctly that you don't choose the creatures until after the spell has resolved, as indicated in this Cranial Insertion topic?

For example, if I play it, do I choose the creatures and my opponent has a chance to respond by killing his own, or are the creatures chosen on spell resolve where he is out of luck and can't respond?

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quote:
Originally posted by evilempire22:
Cultural Exchange

Do I understand correctly that you don't choose the creatures until after the spell has resolved, as indicated in this Cranial Insertion topic?

For example, if I play it, do I choose the creatures and my opponent has a chance to respond by killing his own, or are the creatures chosen on spell resolve where he is out of luck and can't respond?


The creatures are chosen WHEN the spell resolves, so he wont know what is being swapped until it is too late to do anything.

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Are there any set in stone rules for pauper edh?I havent found any out there.My group has been following the rule that you have 1 uncommon general and 99 common cards.They have a rule that if a card was reprinted as an uncommon you cant use it ie whispersilk cloak,ur golems eye,sisays ring.Does anyone have any input on this or can anyone point me to the wizards rules?
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Generally for Pauper, if it was EVER printed as a common, it's a common. This is how it works on Magic Online. Beyond that, pauper isn't a real format. As long as you guys can decide on the rule, it doesn't matter.

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If I have Horobi, Death's Wail out and Cauldron Of Souls, when I activate the Cauldron and target the creatures do they die immediately and do they still get Persist?
 
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Horobi's destroy effect will trigger in response to the cauldron targetting them, which means the destroy effect will resolve first, and they'll go to the graveyard before the persist effect can actually land on them. They'll all die and not come back.

 
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I have Scion of Ur-Dragon in play, and attack with it. My opponent chooses not to block/can't block flying. Before damage, I activate Scion's ability, and in response to that, I activate Scion again. I resolve the second ability and make Scion a Moltensteel Dragon, I then spend 10 life to give him +5/+0. Then I resolve the first Scion activation, and change him into Dragon Tyrant.

Does this work the way I want it to work? Why or why not?

 
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If Player 1 attacks with a 3/3 flyer, and Player 2 blocks with a 3/4 flyer, and Player 1 plays "Turn to Frog" in response to the block, how will the attack sequence resolve?
 
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Avacyn, Angel of Hope is indestructable as well as a Legend. What happens if a Phantasmal Image copies 1 in play?

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Avacyn, Angel of Hope is indestructable as well as a Legend. What happens if a Phantasmal Image copies 1 in play?

~MM


They both die

420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.

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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
I have Scion of Ur-Dragon in play, and attack with it. My opponent chooses not to block/can't block flying. Before damage, I activate Scion's ability, and in response to that, I activate Scion again. I resolve the second ability and make Scion a Moltensteel Dragon, I then spend 10 life to give him +5/+0. Then I resolve the first Scion activation, and change him into Dragon Tyrant.

Does this work the way I want it to work? Why or why not?


Yes it does.

You stacked the triggers in the correct order, and a pass of priority back and forth happens between them. In that priority pass, you can use Moltensteel's ability, resolve it, and get a bigger dragon before he becomes a tyrant and doublestrikes their head in.

 
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
They both die

420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.



I know the legend rule, but what about the indestrcutable part?

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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If Player 1 attacks with a 3/3 flyer, and Player 2 blocks with a 3/4 flyer, and Player 1 plays "Turn to Frog" in response to the block, how will the attack sequence resolve?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I know the legend rule, but what about the indestrcutable part?

~MM


From what I'm seeing, I believe die is probably a poor choice of words.

700.4 If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can't destroy it (See rule 701.6, Destroy). Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based action (see rule 704.5g). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or exiled.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If Player 1 attacks with a 3/3 flyer, and Player 2 blocks with a 3/4 flyer, and Player 1 plays "Turn to Frog" in response to the block, how will the attack sequence resolve?

The attacking creature is still blocked, and since the blocker does not have flying, it will not be able to hit the flyer.
But yes, if a creature becomes blocked, it stays blocked, and the only reasons it can continue to push the damage through is if it has trample or "~ May deal combat damage as though it were not blocked".

quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I know the legend rule, but what about the indestrcutable part?

~MM


The Legend rule has nothing to do with destruction, indesutructability is totally irreleveant and unrelated to how that works.
If two legends with the same name are in play, they are both put into their owners graveyards a state based action.

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Do Hero of Bladehold tokens come into play attacking but untap if Intangible Virtue is out?

Someone had explained to me if Zur the Enchanter taps to attack, then he fetches something like Daybreak Coronet (vigilance), he will untap with vigilance. Are either of these true, how does that work?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
The attacking creature is still blocked, and since the blocker does not have flying, it will not be able to hit the flyer.

If by "it will not be able to hit the flyer", you mean that the blocker will not damage the blocked creature, you are mistaken. Flying only affects declaration of blockers; it does not affect assignment of combat damage.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Do Hero of Bladehold tokens come into play attacking but untap if Intangible Virtue is out?

Someone had explained to me if Zur the Enchanter taps to attack, then he fetches something like Daybreak Coronet (vigilance), he will untap with vigilance. Are either of these true, how does that work?


Neither of these are true. Vigilance means the creature does not become tapped after it is declared as an attacker. It has nothing to do with untapping.
 

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