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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, part 51: Post ALL your Rules Questions Here
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JackSpade Member
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posted March 30, 2012 10:01 PM

quote: Originally posted by tragicmagic: If Karn is removed from play, then you play another Karn, and use its ability to reset the game, does it retrieve the cards that were exiled by the original Karn?
Nope. When the text of the card says "Karn Liberated" it really means this card. Its treated as a new instance each time it enters the battlefield, like it it was blinked out or bounced to your hand and recast its a different Karn each time.
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jasonost Member
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posted March 31, 2012 11:56 AM
  
Here's a question about cards like lodestone golem and thalia. If my opponent has one in play, do I have to pay (1) for each of them in play if I'm using the "pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand" cost of Force of Will?And I have to pay more for spells being flashed back too, right?
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thror Member
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posted March 31, 2012 12:19 PM
  
They are all cumulative. So if there are 3 lodestone golems, fow would cost either 3UU+3, or 3+1 life+blue card.This applies for any card that you CAST (from hand, flashback, rebound, suspend, etc). Copies of spells (made by storm, for example), arent cast, so you don't have to pay for them. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted March 31, 2012 07:50 PM

If I copy a Bloodline Keeper with Phyrexian Metamorph can I transform the copy once I control 5+ vampires?
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted March 31, 2012 08:51 PM
  
If I have Kaalia equipped with a Sword of Feast and Famine and also attacking with a Hellkite Charger and 7 lands can I have infinite Attack Phases?
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Kyzneg Member
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posted March 31, 2012 08:55 PM

quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: If I copy a Bloodline Keeper with Phyrexian Metamorph can I transform the copy once I control 5+ vampires?
Nope, only Double-Faced cards can transform. The relevant rule is in the Comprehensive Rules, #701.25a "Only permanents represented by Double-Faced Cards can transform. If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn't represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens." You can still activate Bloodline Keeper's 2nd ability, but it won't do anything.
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thror Member
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posted March 31, 2012 09:00 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: If I have Kaalia equipped with a Sword of Feast and Famine and also attacking with a Hellkite Charger and 7 lands can I have infinite Attack Phases?
As long as you can pay the 5RR before combat damage, and the creature holding the sword hits a player, and the hellkite charger attacked (was declared as an attacker, not 'put onto the battlefield tapped and attacking'), you will get as many attack phases as you want. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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tragicmagic Member
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posted April 02, 2012 09:29 AM
  
With cards like a Spark Elemental where you sac it at the end of turn, can you still sneak a Brimstone Volley in for the Morbid effect?
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yakusoku Member
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posted April 02, 2012 09:57 AM

Yes, you can.First of all, note that Spark Elemental's Oracle text reads as this: quote: Spark Elemental
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Spark Elemental.
The Comprehensive rules cover this pretty clearly. At the beginning of the end step, you sacrifice Spark Elemental, then both players get priority to play spells. quote: Comprehensive Rules:
513.1. First, all abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" go on the stack. 513.1a Previously, abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step were printed with the trigger condition "at end of turn." Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference to say "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step." 513.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.
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Schwingzilla Member
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posted April 03, 2012 07:48 AM
  
If Treetop Village is enchanted with Parallax Dementia, what happens at end of turn?
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WestWycke Member
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posted April 03, 2012 10:50 AM

Treetop Village stops being a creature during cleanup. This causes Parallax Dementia to go to the graveyard because it is enchanting an illegal object. This triggers Parallax Dementia, and the trigger goes on the stack. When it resolves, it destroys Treetop Village.Here's why.
quote: Originally posted by Comp. Rules: 201.5. If an ability of an object uses a phrase such as “this [something]” to identify an object, where [something] is a characteristic, it is referring to that particular object, even if it isn’t the appropriate characteristic at the time. Example: An ability reads “Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Destroy that creature at the beginning of the next end step.” The ability will destroy the object it gave +2/+2 to even if that object isn’t a creature at the beginning of the next end step.
__________________ "If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?" "I intend to live forever. So far, so good."
[Edited 1 times, lastly by WestWycke on April 03, 2012]
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kirkusjones Member
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posted April 04, 2012 04:29 AM

This came up in an EDH game last week. One player had out rooftop storm, diregraf captain, Grimgrin and a gravecrawler. The Grimgrin player proceeded to sacrifice the gravecrawler and recast it an infinite number of times to kill off the other two players (I had out essence warden so I was netting zero lifeloss). the other two players believed that the combo was not possible because " you can't untap an untapped creature" my thinking was that the ability could be activated inifinitely as long as you had infinite sac outlets. what would the actual ruling be?
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WestWycke Member
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posted April 04, 2012 07:09 AM

The series of events you describe is legal. Grimgrin's activated ability has a cost of saccing a creature(before colon) and an effect that includes untapping Grimgrin(after colon). There is no problem with attempting to untap a creature that is already untapped when resolving a spell or effect. The only time the initial tapped/untapped state would matter is if it was either a)paying a cost (creatures like Gilder Bairn must be tapped in order to activate their ability) or b) if being tapped was a targetting restriction (like Soldevi Golem's upkeep ability).__________________ "If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?" "I intend to live forever. So far, so good."
[Edited 2 times, lastly by WestWycke on April 04, 2012]
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Darkwing Member
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posted April 04, 2012 02:51 PM

Just so I've got the correct ruling...Is it possible to "Oblivion Ring" a creature with Shroud or Hexproof? (for some reason I vaguely remember a conversion about this, but can't recall the details...or maybe it was Oblivion Ring in relation to Emrakul?) Thanks!
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Sovarius Member
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posted April 04, 2012 03:03 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Darkwing: Is it possible to "Oblivion Ring" a creature with Shroud or Hexproof?
O-ring still says "target" so it does not hit Thrun and such. The relation between it and Emrakul is that Emrakul has protection from colored spells. O-ring does not exile anything until it is a permanent.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sovarius on April 04, 2012]
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tragicmagic Member
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posted April 04, 2012 03:06 PM
  
Does x2 Parallel Lives and x1 Beacon of Creation result in infinite tokens?
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Devonin Member
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posted April 04, 2012 03:30 PM
  
No. You just get 4 times the tokens you would on a normal resolution of the Beacon.Beacon's effect says, say "Make 4 insects" and Parallel Lives one says "No double it, it's 8!" and the second says "No double it, it's 16!" and then the spell resolves making 16 guys. They don't each see the ending effect and trigger off each other which is what I assume you were thinking might happen.
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tragicmagic Member
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posted April 04, 2012 04:38 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: Yes, you can.First of all, note that Spark Elemental's Oracle text reads as this: The Comprehensive rules cover this pretty clearly. At the beginning of the end step, you sacrifice Spark Elemental, then both players get priority to play spells. [QUOTE]Comprehensive Rules: 513.1. First, all abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" go on the stack.
513.1a Previously, abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step were printed with the trigger condition "at end of turn." Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference to say "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step." 513.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.
[/QUOTE]Let me clarify, what if it says "At the end of turn, sacrifice this creature".
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Devonin Member
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posted April 04, 2012 04:50 PM
  
513.1a Previously, abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step were printed with the trigger condition "at end of turn." Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference to say "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step." If it said "At End of Turn" it now says "At the beginning of the end step"
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tragicmagic Member
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posted April 04, 2012 04:59 PM
  
Sorry, should have read closer! Thanks!
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VJames83 Member
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posted April 05, 2012 08:37 AM
  
My opponent casts Snapcaster Mage, targeting Brainstorm in his graveyard. In response, I cast Stonecloaker, targeting that Brainstorm. What happens?
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Sovarius Member
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posted April 05, 2012 09:35 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by VJames83: My opponent casts Snapcaster Mage, targeting Brainstorm in his graveyard. In response, I cast Stonecloaker, targeting that Brainstorm. What happens?
First of all, snappy doesn't target any cards when it is being cast, just so you know. Second, Snap's ability goes on the stack targeting Brainstorm, Stonecloaker's ability goes on the stack next targeting Brainstorm. Cloak's ability will resolve first, exiling the Storm. Snap's ability has no more target, and does nothing.
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VJames83 Member
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posted April 05, 2012 12:12 PM
  
Oh, I see. Is Snappy's 'target' ability a triggered ability?Thanks for the feedback.
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Sovarius Member
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posted April 05, 2012 01:40 PM
  
Well, the target is a card. But yes it's a triggered ability. His triggered ability targets a card.Activated abilities are those with a cost: effect, triggered abilities are your various if and when statements.
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ryan2754 Member
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posted April 05, 2012 09:49 PM
  
I have a Maelstrom Nexus in play. I play a cascade spell. Do I get 2 cascade triggers?__________________ -Schmitty T-93rd in Refs [269] on MOTL (with Gamma 1) 3rd in Refs [269] in OH-IO (6 behind Odie) 2nd in Posts [7322] in OH-IO (only 800 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
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