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tragicmagic Member	posted May 22, 2012 10:49 AM If you Tragic Slip a creature with +1/+1 counters on it, do the counters come off of it first? What is the ruling on counters coming off of a creature?
AGO Member	posted May 22, 2012 11:02 AM quote: Originally posted by tragicmagic: If you Tragic Slip a creature with +1/+1 counters on it, do the counters come off of it first? What is the ruling on counters coming off of a creature? You have to place -1/-1 counters on it to remove +1/+1 counters. Tragic slip dosen't place counters on a creature.
tragicmagic Member	posted May 22, 2012 02:19 PM Thanks. You can block and then fling a creature correct? I have a hard time explaining the errata on how that works.
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted May 22, 2012 03:31 PM Yes, you cam block and then fling. fling moves at instant speed, and once an attacker is declared as blocked, it is blocked (regardless of what happens to the blocker). This includes removed from play, sacrificed, destroyed, exiled, removed from combat, etc. Another miracle question: Opening hand is 7 cards. If I place the first card I drew from my deck seperately, and it is a thunderous wrath, can I reveal that card and then cast it that turn after playing my first mountain?
Devonin Member	posted May 22, 2012 04:04 PM By the time you can play land, you're no longer in your draw step, so you can no longer play a miracle card for its miracle cost.
thror Member	posted May 22, 2012 08:45 PM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: By the time you can play land, you're no longer in your draw step, so you can no longer play a miracle card for its miracle cost. This is incorrect. Section 103 of the comp rules discuss 'starting the game'. Players actually draw their hands and take mulligans before the game ever begins. So even if you had a simian spirit guide to make mana at instant speed, the Miracle effect never triggers, because it didnt actually get drawn within the game. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
Devonin Member	posted May 22, 2012 09:25 PM Oohh...no I wasn't wrong, I just misunderstood his question :P I thought he meant "I start my turn, draw my card, it's a miracle card, can I set it aside, then play a land for turn, then cast it" not "When drawing my opening hand, I set aside the first card" Yeah, you can't do that at all.
Trumpeter New Member	posted May 22, 2012 10:45 PM If an opponent has Painful Quandary out and I cast Kozilek, which one resolves first, since they both trigger upon casting? Can I draw 4 cards and discard one of those cards or must I discard a card from my hand that was there before I casted Kozilek? (Of course, assuming I chose to discard instead of pay life.) Edit: It actually came up during a game and I just ended up paying life to shut everybody up (including myself). [Edited 1 times, lastly by Trumpeter on May 22, 2012]
Devonin Member	posted May 23, 2012 04:13 AM Both triggers happen, and you can stack them in whichever order you like, as Active player.
Trumpeter New Member	posted May 23, 2012 08:34 AM Another Painful Quandary question... If I have no cards in my hand after casting a spell and I have Platinum Emperion out (and therefore, cannot pay or lose life), nothing will happen, right? Or am I not allowed to cast the spell?
Randomnist Member	posted May 23, 2012 08:49 AM That's correct, nothing would happen. Painful Quandry triggers as a result of the spell being cast, so until you cast the spell it does nothing.
caquaa Member	posted May 23, 2012 09:33 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: Both triggers happen, and you can stack them in whichever order you like, as Active player. he specifically stated that an opponent controlled the painful quandary. This means that when he casts kozilek that kozilek's trigger goes on the stack because its the active player's trigger, then the NAP in turn order have their triggers go on the stack. Quandry resolves first.
Trumpeter New Member	posted May 24, 2012 06:49 PM If Mirran Crusader attacks me and I have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed out, Mikaeus's ability can destroy the Crusader because it is not targeting (targetting?), right? So, despite being protection from black, he can die due to Mikaeus, since he is not targeted (targetted?). Now, if I'm correct with that, will the Crusader die before his second combat damage step because of the damage done in the first combat damage step? Double strike confuses the hell out of me.
EuroRunner Member	posted May 24, 2012 07:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Trumpeter: If Mirran Crusader attacks me and I have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed out, Mikaeus's ability can destroy the Crusader because it is not targeting (targetting?), right? So, despite being protection from black, he can die due to Mikaeus, since he is not targeted (targetted?). Now, if I'm correct with that, will the Crusader die before his second combat damage step because of the damage done in the first combat damage step? Double strike confuses the hell out of me. Correct. The crusader will deal 2 points of first strike damage to you (assuming it's unblocked) triggering Mikaeus' "destroy human" ability. If it doesn't specify a target, then it does not target.
pugowar Member	posted May 25, 2012 05:25 PM So if I target "Ravager of the Fells" w/ my PHyrexian Metamorph can the phyrexian metamorph flip back to huntmaster of the fells?
Zakman86 Member	posted May 25, 2012 05:49 PM quote: Originally posted by pugowar: So if I target "Ravager of the Fells" w/ my PHyrexian Metamorph can the phyrexian metamorph flip back to huntmaster of the fells? No. The Metamorph isn't a double-sided card.
pugowar Member	posted May 25, 2012 06:17 PM quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: No. The Metamorph isn't a double-sided card. Does he try to flip or just locks in as the ravager?
caquaa Member	posted May 25, 2012 08:08 PM quote: Originally posted by pugowar: Does he try to flip or just locks in as the ravager? he is stuck as whatever you copied. The ability to flip will trigger, but when the ability instructs you to flip, its not possible.
Soldier Boi Member	posted May 26, 2012 12:03 PM I was always told that if a player plays show and tell. He chose Progenitus and I chose Phyrexian Metamorph I could copy his creature. But when I did it online it didn't work. Was it just a glitch or is Progenitus not a legal target?
Sovarius Member	posted May 26, 2012 05:02 PM The creature being copied by Metamorph has to already be on the field. You'll see it says "Enter the battlefield as" meaning you will select the creature before he actually lands, and "a copy of any artifact or creature [b]on the battlefield[/b", which of course means it already has to be there, not coming in at the same time. __________________ Looking to buy any Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief oddities/pimp. My trades My sales
Trumpeter New Member	posted May 26, 2012 11:07 PM In a Two-Headed Giant game, if I control Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and our opponents target my teammate with damage spells (say Lightning Bolt), would some damage still be prevented? A similar question with Stonehorn Dignitary... if our opponents target my teammate, do we both skip our combat phases?
TomB999 Member	posted May 28, 2012 09:53 AM Does Honor of the Pure have an effect on Mentor of the Meek, does a 2/2 creature enter the battlefield as a 3/3 and not trigger his ability to draw a card?
NukeMoose Member	posted May 28, 2012 10:09 AM quote: Originally posted by TomB999: Does Honor of the Pure have an effect on Mentor of the Meek, does a 2/2 creature enter the battlefield as a 3/3 and not trigger his ability to draw a card? Correct, it enters the battlefield as 3/3 and will not trigger the draw a card.
Bagbokk Member	posted May 28, 2012 07:01 PM Just seeing if this works the way I think it does: 5/1/2012 If Blood Artist and one or more other creatures die at the same time, its ability will trigger for each of those creatures. So if there's exactly (and only) 4 Blood Artists out and opponent casts Day of Judgment, each Blood Artist will trigger 4 times (the other 3 + itself) for a total of 16 life loss + life gain? [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on May 28, 2012]
Sovarius Member	posted May 28, 2012 07:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: Just seeing if this works the way I think it does: Yes sir, each Arist sees 4 creatures dying. I could quote the rulings to prove it if you didn't already __________________ Looking to buy any Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief oddities/pimp. My trades My sales

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