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sagabegin
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This has probably been answered but I haven't had a chance to play in quite some time:
Miracle + brainstorm - does the miracle card need to be the first card or just a part of the set of three cards drawn to be cast.

Thanks - sorry if already answered. I tried to scan through to see if I saw anything.

 
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Miracle explicitly says 'if this is the first card you've drawn this turn'

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During a match, my turn has ended and the next player has started his turn, I have Soul's Attendant out and played a creature. I forgot to add the one life to my total, do I get to still add the one life even though my turn ended?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by TomB999:
During a match, my turn has ended and the next player has started his turn, I have Soul's Attendant out and played a creature. I forgot to add the one life to my total, do I get to still add the one life even though my turn ended?


No because it was optional and you didn't catch it within the turn.

"Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may gain 1 life."

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quote:
Originally posted by Trumpeter:
In a Two-Headed Giant game, if I control Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and our opponents target my teammate with damage spells (say Lightning Bolt), would some damage still be prevented?

No. Gisela's ability reads: "If a source would deal damage to you or a permanent you control, prevent half that damage, rounded up." The damage is being dealt to your teammate, not to you, so Gisela's ability does not apply.

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A similar question with Stonehorn Dignitary... if our opponents target my teammate, do we both skip our combat phases?
Yes. With shared turns, if a player on a team skips a turn, step, or phase, the team skips that turn, step, or phase.
 
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Well that stinks. What if I had Platinum Emperion out? Would my teammate still be susceptible to life loss? I assume we also share the life total also, ipso facto Platinum Emperion would prevent life loss (and gain) for the whole team even if only one person controls it. Or am I completely wrong?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by sagabegin:
[B]Miracle + brainstorm - does the miracle card need to be the first card or just a part of the set of three cards drawn to be cast.
[B]

It must be the first of the 3. Though you might just grab the top 3 cards off your deck in real life, you are actually drawing each card seperate, so if you just grab 3 and reveal a miracle from there, it won't count.

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Thank You, what if it was not optional for excample Blood Artist does not have "May" in it? Can you take the life gain a couple of turns later if you forgot to take it on your turn?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
No because it was optional and you didn't catch it within the turn.

"Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may gain 1 life."


 
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quote:
Originally posted by Trumpeter:
Well that stinks. What if I had Platinum Emperion out? Would my teammate still be susceptible to life loss? I assume we also share the life total also, ipso facto Platinum Emperion would prevent life loss (and gain) for the whole team even if only one person controls it. Or am I completely wrong?

You are correct, Platinum Emperion will protect your team from life loss in Two-Headed Giant:

810.9h If an effect says that a player can’t lose life, no player on that player’s team can lose life or pay any amount of life other than 0.

 
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If you play Hunted Horror, and next turn you attack with it, and they block with the 3/3 pro-black, does the trample still roll over? Or is all damage reduced to 0. My understanding was that the damage would roll over still. One of the elders is saying the rules changed though?
 
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Can you cast back a Killing Wave (Say with Snapcaster Mage) and pay X as whatever you want?

This is what I found but wanted clarification:

409.1b If the spell or ability is modal (uses the phrase “Choose one —” or “[specified player] chooses one —”), the player announces the mode choice. If the player wishes to splice any cards onto the spell, he or she reveals those cards in his or her hand. If the spell or ability has a variable mana cost (indicated by {X}) or some other variable cost, the player announces the value of that variable at this time. If the spell or ability has alternative, additional, or other special costs (such as buyback, kicker, or convoke costs), the player announces his or her intentions to pay any or all of those costs (see rule 409.1f). You can’t apply two alternative methods of playing or two alternative costs to a single spell or ability. Previously made choices (such as choosing to play a spell with flashback from his or her graveyard or choosing to play a creature with morph face down) may restrict the player’s options when making these choices.

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quote:
Originally posted by TomB999:
Thank You, what if it was not optional for excample Blood Artist does not have "May" in it? Can you take the life gain a couple of turns later if you forgot to take it on your turn?


If it can be reasonably corrected to what it was supposed to have been then yes. Like "Ok your turn. Oh wait, you lsot a life just now when your dude died."
If it's like 4 turns later, no. Judge discretion.

quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Can you cast back a Killing Wave (Say with Snapcaster Mage) and pay X as whatever you want?

This is what I found but wanted clarification:


Take a look at Devil's Play
Same thing, the flashback is the same as casting cost.

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Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If you play Hunted Horror, and next turn you attack with it, and they block with the 3/3 pro-black, does the trample still roll over? Or is all damage reduced to 0. My understanding was that the damage would roll over still. One of the elders is saying the rules changed though?

He can still trample in there. He only needs to ASSIGN lethal damage, doesn't matter if that damage would be prevented.

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So if I have Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond in play, would they not just keep triggering each other?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
So if I have Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond in play, would they not just keep triggering each other?

yes they will keep triggering off each other since they are both triggered abilities.

 
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when a creature with double strike is blocked and kills the blocking creature with its first strike damage, the regular damage doesn't go through to the player does it?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
when a creature with double strike is blocked and kills the blocking creature with its first strike damage, the regular damage doesn't go through to the player does it?

Regular damage will not go through UNLESS the creature with double strike also has trample.

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Exquisite Blood is worded "Whenever an opponent loses life, you gain that much life". Does this apply for regular damage because anything that deals damage is considered a loss of life or does this only refer to cards that make a player lose life?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Exquisite Blood is worded "Whenever an opponent loses life, you gain that much life". Does this apply for regular damage because anything that deals damage is considered a loss of life or does this only refer to cards that make a player lose life?

Damage causes life loss, so it will trigger.
The better question is, is a 5 mana enchantment that gains you ~10 life worth it?

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That depends on what you're trying to do with it because it is a niche card.

If you're just trying to understand how the card works...

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If you play have Parallax Wave in play, and use one of the fading counters to remove Wolfir Silverheart from play, and you also have Vorapede in play, then you activate Nevvy's Disk's ability to destroy everything, Vorapede and Wolfir both return play, can you soulbound them?
 
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Yes. Everything blows up, the trigger to return Wolfir and the trigger to return Vorapede are put onto the stack. it doesn't matter the order they come into play, because soulbond says 'when either comes into play'.

You're just confusing yourself with the extra cards, really.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
It must be the first of the 3. Though you might just grab the top 3 cards off your deck in real life, you are actually drawing each card seperate, so if you just grab 3 and reveal a miracle from there, it won't count.


I had this question as well. So is this what I should do (assuming I have a Bonfire of the Damned and 4 open mana at the end of my opponent's turn):

1. Cast Brainstorm.
2. Draw cards one at a time, drawing and revealing Bonfire of the Damned.
3. Pause the rest of the brainstorm while I cast Bonfire of the Damned for 3 (x=2)
4. After the Bonfire resolves, I continue with the rest of the brainstorm, drawing 2 cards and then putting 2 on top.

Is that correct?

Thanks!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashnod'sPants:
I had this question as well. So is this what I should do (assuming I have a Bonfire of the Damned and 4 open mana at the end of my opponent's turn):

1. Cast Brainstorm.
2. Draw cards one at a time, drawing and revealing Bonfire of the Damned.
3. Pause the rest of the brainstorm while I cast Bonfire of the Damned for 3 (x=2)
4. After the Bonfire resolves, I continue with the rest of the brainstorm, drawing 2 cards and then putting 2 on top.

Is that correct?

Thanks!


No, it's not. You can't do anything else during the resolution of a spell.

You cast Brainstorm. You draw your first card, see it has miracle and determine whether you want to reveal it, reveal it should you so choose, then finish resolving Brainstorm. After Brainstorm resolves, and SBEs are checked, the Miracle trigger will go on the stack and you'll be able to cast your spell for its miracle cost.


702.92. Miracle
702.92a. Miracle is a static ability linked to a triggered ability (see rule 603.10). “Miracle [cost]” means “You may reveal this card from your hand as you draw it if it’s the first card you’ve drawn this turn. When you reveal this card this way, you may cast it by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost.”
702.92b. If a player chooses to reveal a card using its miracle ability, he or she plays with that card revealed until that card leaves his or her hand, that ability resolves, or that ability otherwise leaves the stack.

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gotcha.

So Brainstorm starts and finishes without interruption, but the miracle's "reveal" trigger sneaks in there.

Thanks. That hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it will!

 
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If a player has out Platinum Angel, has 0 life and casts Cloudshift on Platinum Angel (to avoid it being destroyed), does that player lose?
 

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