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Originally posted by DarKLava:
Can you choose Artifact creature as a creature type?

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nope. Artifact is a card type.

300.1. The card types are artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, tribal, and vanguard.
300.2. Some objects have more than one card type (for example, an artifact creature). Such objects combine the aspects of each of those card types, and are subject to spells and abilities that affect either or all of those card types.

302.3. Creature subtypes are always a single word and are listed after a long dash: “Creature — Human Soldier,” “Artifact Creature — Golem,” and so on. Creature subtypes are also called creature types. Creatures may have multiple subtypes. See rule 204.3m for the complete list of creature types.

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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Let's say I'm casting a Salvage Titan by sacrificing Ichor Wellspring and two other artifacts.
Does Wellspring's triggered ability to draw a card go on the stack before Salvage Titan goes on? Or is Salvage Titan on the stack before the draw trigger goes on?

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Salvage Titan will go no the stack first, the the draw trigger. Triggers go the stack the next time a player gains priority, which would be after Salvage Titan has been cast and is on the stack

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Originally posted by mulder:
My opponent has an Isochron Scepter with Orim's Chant. I have a Counterbalance. Can I counter the chant? And if so, what would be the converted mana cost if he plays it with kicker?

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Originally posted by GremCards:
As clarification about the stack, let's say player A is going to cast a Lightning Bolt. Would this player have to declare a target before it resolves, or after?

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Originally posted by GremCards:
Can you show me where to get confirmation on this? One of the guys I play with won't declare his target until after nobody chooses to respond to him casting.

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Show him section '601. Casting Spells' in the comprehensive rules. http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20120701.txt

These parts explicitly:
601.2c The player announces his or her choice of an appropriate player, object, or zone for each target the spell requires.
601.2h Once the steps described in 601.2a-g are completed, the spell becomes cast.

Targets happen before the spell is even cast.

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Originally posted by fatman:
zero toughness kills indestructible, right?

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A creature with zero or less toughness is put into its owners graveyard as a state-based action.

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6/1/2011 You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=217992

Basically, if a spell or ability tries to change the target of something, it wont actually change unless the new target is a legal target.

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Originally posted by fatman:
hehe again, getting back into the game makes things sorta funny anywho

when you change the target of a spell with spellskite does it have to be a valid target or can you cause a fizzel. say with thunderbolt? or would hit have to be able to damage a non artifact creature with no flying or w/e else to target it?

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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=152065

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Originally posted by mm1983:
What happens if you were to give an undying creature persist if it already has the +1/+1 counter on it? More specifically using Cauldron of Souls. Link below

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=152065

Undying reads "When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it."

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Persist would have it come back with a -1/-1 counter.
The -1/-1 and the +1/+1 counters will be removed by state-based effects, and you would have a creature with Undying with no counters on it.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
uhm, close. If the creature has any variety of +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters on it as well as undying and persist and then dies, only persist or undying will trigger, not both. When it comes back, it will have a counter from the ability that did resolve. The counter that was on it when it dies is long gone (since the creature has left play and touched the graveyard etc) and would not be there to cancel out with the new counter the creature gets.

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Originally posted by caquaa:

uhm, close. If the creature has any variety of +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters on it as well as undying and persist and then dies, only persist or undying will trigger, not both. When it comes back, it will have a counter from the ability that did resolve. The counter that was on it when it dies is long gone (since the creature has left play and touched the graveyard etc) and would not be there to cancel out with the new counter the creature gets.

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Originally posted by ectomanic:
eye of the storm in play with preordain, gitaxian probe, and demonic tutor on it. my turn i play ponder then after eye of the storm's ability resolves i play mind's desire. how many copies of mind's desire do i get? how many if i hadn't played the ponder?

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it sounds like your question is essentially "do spells from eye of the storm add to storm count?" The answer is yes, they do add to the storm count because eye of the storm makes a copy of the spell then has you cast it. It might be slightly confusing because some other cards put a copy directly on the stack which does not add to storm. I'm sure you can figure out the basic math portion.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
Would the undying creature with a +1/+1 counter come back into play with a -1/-1 counter if it gained persist from the Cauldron of Souls before it went to the graveyard? Do you choose which effect to take on whether it's undying or persist if the creature has both abilities? If so, then the undying creature with the +1/+1 counter will be able to come back with a -1/-1 counter then come back again as it's normal power and toughness and then again with a +1/+1 counter. If this holds true you can keep your creatures out on the board forever.

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If an a creature has undying, persist, and a +1/+1 counter, when it dies persist will trigger and return it to play with only a -1/-1 counter. If the creature has both undying and persist and NO counters, then you can stack them how you'd like so it will come back with one (and only one) counter depending on which ability resolved first. If a creature has both undying and persist and a -1/-1 counter, undying will trigger when the creature dies and it will come back with a +1/+1 counter.

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Originally posted by caquaa:

It certainly makes your dudes harder to deal with. Remember tho, with cauldron the creatures lose persist once they leave play even if they persist back into play.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
Yep, I just wanted to clear up how the 2 abilites worked together. I have an EDH/commander idea in mind using both undying and persist creatures. Of course, only being able to play 1 of anything makes it a challenge but that's what tutors are for.

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Also, keep in mind that +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel out, so if you give a persist creature with a -1/-1 counter a +1/+1 counter both counters will be removed and your creature can come back again. (and vice versa with undying)

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If I turn an artifact into a 5/5 artifact creature with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, then copy the artifact with Phyrexian Metamorph will the Metamorph copy it as an artifact creature, or just an artifact?

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