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caquaa
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I cast Thrun, the Last Troll. My opponent responds with Dissipate targeting Thrun. What happens?

Dissipate resolves doing nothing, then thrun resolves. Thrun can be targeted w/ dissipate

 
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I have Curse of Death's hold on my side of the battlefield. What would happen if my opponent casts, say, Phyrexian Metamorph, or Clone?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by HerrOttesen:
I have Curse of Death's hold on my side of the battlefield. What would happen if my opponent casts, say, Phyrexian Metamorph, or Clone?


If you have been enchanted by the Curse, if they copy one of your creatures their copy of your creature will not have -1/-1. Copy effects happen in layer one so they happen before anything else is applied (Power/toughness changes happen in layer 7c).

If they have been enchanted by the curse whatever creature they copy will receive -1/-1.

 
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Gatherer's "Details" tab is a good source of information about confusing cards.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=266274

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Clone copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing more (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on.
 
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I control magic an opponents creature. I then switcheroo one of my creatures with the creature I own because of control magic.

Does the switcheroos permanent state override the control magic, thus giving me permanent control of my opponents creature? So when my opponent destroys the control magic, do I retain the creature?

Thanks!

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quote:
Originally posted by ardeay:
I control magic an opponents creature. I then switcheroo one of my creatures with the creature I own because of control magic.

Does the switcheroos permanent state override the control magic, thus giving me permanent control of my opponents creature? So when my opponent destroys the control magic, do I retain the creature?

Thanks!



7/1/2012 If the same player controls both creatures when Switcheroo resolves, nothing happens.

So as I understand that ruling, Switcheroo doesn't actually modify anything upon resolution, so removing control magic would get them their creature back.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on September 29, 2012]

 
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If i Copy Artifact or Sculpting Steel a Stuffy Doll does new copy targets a new player?

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quote:
Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
If i Copy Artifact or Sculpting Steel a Stuffy Doll does new copy targets a new player?


Yes

 
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If I have a Counterspell imprinted on a Isochron Scepter and I pay 2 to copy the spell, can my opponent counter my Counterspell copy with a Cancel?
 
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If I have a Crytoplasm out and a Phyrexian Metamorph (as a creature or artifact). Can I have the Crytoplasm copy my Phyrexian Metamorph (as the creature it is) every turn then use the Phyrexian Metamorph copy to copy a Artifact every turn?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
If I have a Counterspell imprinted on a Isochron Scepter and I pay 2 to copy the spell, can my opponent counter my Counterspell copy with a Cancel?

Yup. The copy is created in the exile zone, and then you can play it without paying its mana cost. Once you play it, it goes onto the stack and can be responded to and countered as normal.

quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
If I have a Crytoplasm out and a Phyrexian Metamorph (as a creature or artifact). Can I have the Crytoplasm copy my Phyrexian Metamorph (as the creature it is) every turn then use the Phyrexian Metamorph copy to copy a Artifact every turn?

Nope. The Metamorph chooses what to copy when it comes into play. Having the Cryptoplasm (already in play) become a copy of the Metamorph won't allow you to choose a new thing to copy. In fact, if your Metamorph is copying a creature, the Cryptoplasm copy will just be that creature and not a Metamorph at all.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on September 30, 2012]

 
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just wondering at the ruling on Detention Sphere

10/4/2004 Although the target of the enters-the-battlefield ability must not be a land, lands with the same name as that permanent will be exiled.

How is it that this could remotely happen? Everything I saw says that the animated land is still a land.

Does Unnatural Selection change an animated land's type from land to say elf?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by denholm:
just wondering at the ruling on Detention Sphere

10/4/2004 Although the target of the enters-the-battlefield ability must not be a land, lands with the same name as that permanent will be exiled.

How is it that this could remotely happen? Everything I saw says that the animated land is still a land.

Does Unnatural Selection change an animated land's type from land to say elf?


no, land is a supertype and will not be overwritten. Instead, consider this scenario:
Animated mutavault in play, llanowar elf in play. Cytoshape the mutavault into a llanowar elf, THEN detention sphere the llanowar elf.

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On Humility and Opalescence

A.) If Humility is in play and someone resolves Opalescence what goes on?

B.) If Opalescence is in play and someone resolves Humility, what goes on?

 
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Question on Phyrexian metamorph, I Think I know the answer but since a lot of people were debating, I'll ask here to make sure:

scenario: phyrexian metamorph comes into play targeting an animated inkmoth nexus. what happens?

a) it copies the animated nexus and stays like that for the rest fo the game.

b) it copies the nexus animated as a creature but the effect ends at EOT.

c) it copies the nexus unanimated and if he wants to animate it, the controller needs to spend 1 to do so, like any regular nexus.


I thought it was c, but please LMK the correct answer. Thanks

~Myy

 
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C. Also, metamorph doesnt target.

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
On Humility and Opalescence

A.) If Humility is in play and someone resolves Opalescence what goes on?

B.) If Opalescence is in play and someone resolves Humility, what goes on?


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4881

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This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers. The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it's finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence). Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).
 
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Ciao all;

Just to be sure, if Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Ancient Tomb are both in play the Ancient Tomb taps for 2 colourless and 1 black, 3 mana in total, yeah?

Cheers for it;
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quote:
Originally posted by keywacat:
Ciao all;

Just to be sure, if Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Ancient Tomb are both in play the Ancient Tomb taps for 2 colourless and 1 black, 3 mana in total, yeah?

Cheers for it;
keywacat


No, you can tap tomb for 2 colorless OR tap tomb for B (without 2 dmg)



[Edited 1 times, lastly by shwin on October 07, 2012]

 
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Does the legendary rule effect both Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and Niv-Mizzet. Dracogenius if both are in play at the same time since they are both Niv-Mizzet?
 
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1. Curse of Death's Hold + Intangible Virtue

Tokens remain 1/1 instead of dying as soon as they come into play, right? Something about layers and state-based effects... layers are way over my head here.

2. Desecration Demon

If I have more than 1, does each trigger so (let's say in 1v1), my opponent would have to sacrifice two creatures to tap both of them?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 08, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Does the legendary rule effect both Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and Niv-Mizzet. Dracogenius if both are in play at the same time since they are both Niv-Mizzet?

nope. Legends need the same card name for the legend rule to apply.

quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
1. Curse of Death's Hold + Intangible Virtue

2. Desecration Demon


1. A spirit token would enter play as a 1/1. It doesn't matter which enchantment was in play first either.

2. Yes, each Desecration Demon triggers individually so if your opponent wanted to tap them all they would need to sacrifice 1 dude to each demon.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by caquaa on October 08, 2012]

 
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Originally posted by caquaa:

nope. Legends need the same card name for the legend rule to apply.

Thanks. I was thinking they changed the legendary rule to be like planeswalkers. 2 different Jaces but they would kill each other since they are both some kind of Jace.

 
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New Rule Question!

My Scavenging Ooze targets a creature card in an opponents graveyard, I hold priority, then play surgical extraction on that same creature card in response.

Is the +1 counter and 1 life still rewarded?

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Ok,

Tidehollow Sculler enters the battlefield.
Trigger on the stack (when ETB, exile card)
I somehow bounce the Sculler back to my hand in response.
Leave play trigger on stack (leaves, return the card)

The leaves play trigger goes off first - essentially doing nothing. Then the ETB trigger resolves and I get to exile a card correct?

 

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