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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, part 52: Post ALL your Rules Questions Here
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yakusoku Member
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posted August 19, 2012 01:13 AM
Only ONE counter. It triggers once per spell, if that spell is black, blue, red, or white.From Gatherer rulings: quote:
Quirion Dryad's ability will trigger only once per spell you cast, as long as that spell is at least one of the listed colors.
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slexyy New Member
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posted August 19, 2012 03:56 AM
thank you
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Johnzo Member
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posted August 23, 2012 06:11 AM
I like the new "flicker" mechanic with cards like Cloudshift and Ghostly Flicker, but I have a question. It seems like the first thing that people mention with this is declaring your blocker, then flickering the blocker to avoid it dying. (Assuming you are blocking something bigger than you) Couldn't you just as easily flicker the attacking creature directly after it's been declared as an attacker? I think it would come back onto the field untapped but not attacking. Very useful for stopping an attack you can't block too, like if you can't block flyers or the creature has intimidate/unblockable abilities. This should be a legal move right?
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted August 23, 2012 06:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by Johnzo: I like the new "flicker" mechanic with cards like Cloudshift and Ghostly Flicker, but I have a question. It seems like the first thing that people mention with this is declaring your blocker, then flickering the blocker to avoid it dying. (Assuming you are blocking something bigger than you) Couldn't you just as easily flicker the attacking creature directly after it's been declared as an attacker? I think it would come back onto the field untapped but not attacking. Very useful for stopping an attack you can't block too, like if you can't block flyers or the creature has intimidate/unblockable abilities. This should be a legal move right?
It will work as long as the attacking creatures are yours. Cloudshift and Ghostly Flicker can only target creatures you control.
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Johnzo Member
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posted August 23, 2012 06:57 AM
"that you control" riiight. I missed that part. Thanks!
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wayne Member
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posted August 24, 2012 12:13 AM
Could someone explain what happens when one activates Goblin Charbelcher with no lands in the deck? What happens to all the revealed cards if the opponent does not die?
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Devonin Member
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posted August 24, 2012 04:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by wayne: Could someone explain what happens when one activates Goblin Charbelcher with no lands in the deck? What happens to all the revealed cards if the opponent does not die?
If the card can't resolve completely, it still does as much of its effect as it can. If you belch with no lands in your library, you'll reveal your whole library, deal them 1 damage per card you revealed, and then functionally get to put your deck back in any order you like.
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Pail42 Member
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posted August 25, 2012 08:56 AM
Demonmail Hauberk can be used to sacrifice your only creature right? Announce activation targeting X and sacrifice X to pay cost.
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GenghisTom Member
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posted August 25, 2012 06:47 PM
It is my understanding that if you snapcaster a ghastly demise - with two other cards in the graveyard - you can cast the ghastly demise targeting a creature with toughness 3.Upon resolution it will still destroy the creature because the card is not exiled until the ghastly demise has resolved completely.
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thror Member
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posted August 25, 2012 09:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by GenghisTom: It is my understanding that if you snapcaster a ghastly demise - with two other cards in the graveyard - you can cast the ghastly demise targeting a creature with toughness 3.Upon resolution it will still destroy the creature because the card is not exiled until the ghastly demise has resolved completely.
Almost correct. When you flashback something, you take the spell from the graveyard and put it on the stack. At this point, there are only 2 cards in your graveyard, and Ghastly Demise will not be able to destroy the targeted creature. Sorry. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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GenghisTom Member
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posted August 27, 2012 01:45 PM
I suppose a simpler question would be I cast ghastly demise from hand on a 3/3 creature with 3 cards in graveyard. Opponent plays giant growth on the creature. Is it still destroyed?Iguess what I'm trying to ask is, upon resolution does ghastly demise check the toughness of a creature and use that as a basis to determine whether or not its get destroyed, or is toughness check when creature is chosen as target and once ghastly demise is on stack the creature will be destroyed regardless of what happens to touhness or card in graveyard
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Pail42 Member
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posted August 27, 2012 03:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by GenghisTom: Iguess what I'm trying to ask is, upon resolution does ghastly demise check the toughness of a creature and use that as a basis to determine whether or not its get destroyed, or is toughness check when creature is chosen as target and once ghastly demise is on stack the creature will be destroyed regardless of what happens to touhness or card in graveyard
Things like Topple, "Exile target creature with the greatest power" check both at announcement and resolution because the wording modifies what makes a legal target. I'm not sure if the "if" clause on this card modifies the target or not, but in any case the creature won't be killed. Depending on how the rules work Ghastly Demise will either do nothing (because the "if" is evaluated at resolution) or be countered by the game rules (because the "if" modifies legal targets).
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jaromirjagr Member
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posted September 05, 2012 09:54 PM
Is the faceless butcher sac engine remove creature from the game combo still valid with the current enter the battlefield rules?My thinking is that say faceless butcher enters the battlefield and carrion feeder is already in play.When the butcher hits the battlefield you then remove target opponents creature from the game then sac the butcher to feeder then the butchers second ability triggers bringing the creature back to play.You cant sac a creature thats on the stack can you?Please explain this to me.
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thror Member
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posted September 05, 2012 10:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by jaromirjagr: Is the faceless butcher sac engine remove creature from the game combo still valid with the current enter the battlefield rules?My thinking is that say faceless butcher enters the battlefield and carrion feeder is already in play.When the butcher hits the battlefield you then remove target opponents creature from the game then sac the butcher to feeder then the butchers second ability triggers bringing the creature back to play.You cant sac a creature thats on the stack can you?Please explain this to me.
Carrion feeder in play. Check Cast Faceless Butcher. Faceless Butcher Resolves. Check Faceless butcher has an ETB trigger, gets put on the stack with a target. While that trigger is on the stack, sacrifice it to Feeder. Butchers Leaves Battlefield ability triggers, goes on stack above the ETB trigger. Leaves battlefield trigger resolves, doing nothing. ETB trigger resolves, Elixing target creature for the remainder of the game, barring something like Riftsweeper. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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B14ckM4g3 Member
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posted September 09, 2012 11:06 AM
I don't think this can be done but stifle makes me question:Fetchlands: Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~: Search With stifle, I understand you are countering the ability. In this case the search function. But is it possible to counter the 'tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~' function and still search?
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fluffycow Member
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posted September 09, 2012 11:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by B14ckM4g3: I don't think this can be done but stifle makes me question:Fetchlands: Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~: Search With stifle, I understand you are countering the ability. In this case the search function. But is it possible to counter the 'tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~' function and still search?
Nope, nothing happens. You can't search if the ability is countered. 1. If I unearth a creature and with its exile trigger on the stack, I end my turn with sundial of the infinite. Does exile ability trigger again next turn? If the creature leaves play the following turn, does the game still keeps track if that creature is to be exiled?
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thror Member
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posted September 09, 2012 12:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by B14ckM4g3: I don't think this can be done but stifle makes me question:Fetchlands: Tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~: Search With stifle, I understand you are countering the ability. In this case the search function. But is it possible to counter the 'tap, pay 1 life, sacrifice ~' function and still search?
'tap, pay1 life, sac ~' is the cost. it will always get paid, regardless of the effect 'search' resolving or not. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Devonin Member
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posted September 18, 2012 02:10 PM
If I cast Thoughtlace on your Terror played on my turn, can I then play Seedtime? Or the reduced price for Richochet trap?Would I have to wait until the thoughtlaced terror resolved? It was a black spell on announcement, but a blue spell on resolution. What do cards like Seedtime check for? Blue spell announced? Blue spell on the stack? Blue spell resolved?
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dfitzg88 Member
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posted September 18, 2012 03:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: If I cast Thoughtlace on your Terror played on my turn, can I then play Seedtime? Or the reduced price for Richochet trap?Would I have to wait until the thoughtlaced terror resolved? It was a black spell on announcement, but a blue spell on resolution. What do cards like Seedtime check for? Blue spell announced? Blue spell on the stack? Blue spell resolved?
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/rh89 (bottom of page) Seedtime looks for a blue spell having been played by an opponent, it doesn't look for a blue spell having been on the stack. For Seedtime to have its effect, the spell must have been blue at the moment it was played. Ditto for Ricochet Trap
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted September 22, 2012 09:23 PM
I have a Gravecrawler in my graveyard and another zombie in play. I tap a swamp and announce that I am going to cast the Gravecrawler from my graveyard. In response, my opponent casts Surgical Extraction targeting the Gravecrawler.Will my Gravecrawlers be exiled, or will the Gravecrawler return to play before Surgical Extraction removes them?
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thror Member
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posted September 22, 2012 10:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: I have a Gravecrawler in my graveyard and another zombie in play. I tap a swamp and announce that I am going to cast the Gravecrawler from my graveyard. In response, my opponent casts Surgical Extraction targeting the Gravecrawler.Will my Gravecrawlers be exiled, or will the Gravecrawler return to play before Surgical Extraction removes them?
This is an Illegal use of surgical extraction. Your opp cant respond to you tapping lands for mana, so that part doesnt matter. They also cant just 'take' priority while you are casting a spell. So you announce 'cast gravecrawler from graveyard'. pay costs, put spell on stack. Gravecrawler is now on the stack, not in the graveyard, and this is the FIRST time your opp gets a chance to do anything. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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marriedwithchildren Member
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posted September 24, 2012 06:51 AM
Does tarmogoyf still recognize tribal? I was playing in a tourney, when my opposing player cast warren weirding targeting me. Next turn I got goyf online an wondered what the weirding counts towards. The shop owner pulled out an M13 leaflet that shows card types and tribal wasn't on it so he said tarmogoyf does recognize it outside of it being a sorcery. Is this right
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psrex Member
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posted September 24, 2012 07:07 AM
The Oracle text for Tarmogoyf still says:Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1. (Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal are card types.) Tribal should count. The M13 leaflet won't mention Tribal as a card type because it isn't currently relevant for M2013, but it shouldn't be taken as a source for rulings.
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orcishartillery Member
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posted September 25, 2012 12:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror: So you announce 'cast gravecrawler from graveyard'. pay costs, put spell on stack.
Just to be clear, the first step in casting a spell (or activating an ability) is putting it on the stack; paying costs is the last step.
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AlmostGrown Member
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posted September 25, 2012 02:03 PM
This is a stupid question I should know the answer to, but I just want to double check.I cast Thrun, the Last Troll. My opponent responds with Dissipate targeting Thrun. What happens?
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