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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, part 52: Post ALL your Rules Questions Here
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orcishartillery Member
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posted October 16, 2012 12:38 PM

quote: Originally posted by GenghisTom: Okay, so opponent has in play Lord of Atlantis and Phantasmal Image (copying Lord of Atlantis).I cast Detention Sphere. There are two targets I can choose from, LoA or PI. If I target PI, it's sacrificed as a triggered effect. Then, because the target is no longer there does Dentention Sphere's triggered ability fizzle? Therefore NOT also exiling LoA? (The PI has the same name as LoA because it's a copy correct?) On the other hand, if I target LoA with Detention Sphere, PI would also be exiled correct? But NOT sacrificed because it wasn't a target in this case. Meaning, if Detention Sphere leaves play, the Phantasmal Image will return to play with the Lord of Atlantis.
You are correct on all counts.
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fluffycow Member
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posted October 16, 2012 01:12 PM
  
If I have a non black creature in play and it's the only creature in play and an attrition out. Can I sacrifies the creature to attrition to target itself?
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orcishartillery Member
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posted October 17, 2012 01:50 PM

quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: If I have a non black creature in play and it's the only creature in play and an attrition out. Can I sacrifies the creature to attrition to target itself?
Yes. You choose targets before you pay costs. You can target a creature with Attrition's ability, and then sacrifice that creature to pay the cost. (The ability will of course be countered because it no longer has a legal target.)
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fluffycow Member
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posted October 18, 2012 08:50 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by orcishartillery: [QUOTE]Originally posted by fluffycow: If I have a non black creature in play and it's the only creature in play and an attrition out. Can I sacrifies the creature to attrition to target itself?
Yes. You choose targets before you pay costs. You can target a creature with Attrition's ability, and then sacrifice that creature to pay the cost. (The ability will of course be countered because it no longer has a legal target.)[/QUOTE]Thanks
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Pail42 Member
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posted October 18, 2012 09:44 AM
  
Originally posted by Shron Von Drago:
quote: I have a question about shuffling. I shuffle my deck and present it to my opponent and he shuffles it lets say i'm not satisfied with how he shuffled or suspect he may have shuffled a certain way on purpose what are my options can I shuffle again or have a judge shuffle it?
Also from the tournament rules
quote: If a player has had the opportunity to see any of the card faces of the deck being shuffled, the deck is no longer considered randomized and must be randomized again.
Sounds like if you tell the judge that you or your opponent saw a card during the shuffling process then you would automatically have to start from the beginning. I'm not a judge but if I were I would prefer this over taking time to shuffle myself.
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thror Member
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posted October 18, 2012 10:14 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Pail42:
Sounds like if you tell the judge that you or your opponent saw a card during the shuffling process then you would automatically have to start from the beginning. I'm not a judge but if I were I would prefer this over taking time to shuffle myself.
and if they prove you lied to a judge you get disqualified. just tell them exactly what happened. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Pail42 Member
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posted October 18, 2012 11:32 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by thror: and if they prove you lied to a judge you get disqualified. just tell them exactly what happened.
I never suggested lying. quote: Decks must be randomized at the start of every game and whenever an instruction requires it. Randomization is defined as bringing the deck to a state where no player can have any information regarding the order or position of cards in any portion of the deck.
Saying "I noticed this guy was peeking at my cards while he/I was shuffling so I suspect it's not random" is a much stronger statement than "I don't think my deck is random, but I have no reason to be suspicious." If your opponent decides to do something that would ordinarily be suspicious on an initial shuffle, such as pile shuffling (specifically not allowed for randomization), as long as they didn't have any information about what cards are where then they have not made the deck any more or less random. You might get a judge to instruct them to stop acting suspiciously, but the player didn't do anything against the tournament rules.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on October 18, 2012]
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jaromirjagr Member
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posted October 23, 2012 04:04 PM

So how does riftsweeper work in edh games?Can in bring your general into your deck?Can it bring cards that were exiled with final judgment or revoke existence back into your deck?I always thought exiled cards were removed face down.If so what are some uses for riftsweeper?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by jaromirjagr on October 23, 2012]
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caquaa Member
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posted October 23, 2012 05:02 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by jaromirjagr: So how does riftsweeper work in edh games?Can in bring your general into your deck?Can it bring cards that were exiled with final judgment or revoke existence back into your deck?I always thought exiled cards were removed face down.If so what are some uses for riftsweeper?
cards that are exiled are face up unless a card says otherwise. Can in bring your general into your deck? Commanders are generally in the command zone as you can use a replacement effect to place them in the command zone instead of exile if they would be exiled. If you let it go to exile (say, swords to plowshares or path to exile) instead of using the replacement effect, then you can use riftsweeper on it. Can it bring cards that were exiled with final judgment or revoke existence back into your deck? yup I always thought exiled cards were removed face down. This is incorrect. Any cards that is exiled is face up unless the card that exiles says otherwise.
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nderdog Moderator
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posted October 28, 2012 12:40 PM
  
One of the locals asked whether a Verdant Catacombs could search for a Watery Grave. He was told by an ex-judge that it was format dependent, which makes no sense to me. Can someone confirm or deny this so that I know he's getting the correct answer? Seems to me that the rules that say that a Watery Grave is a Swamp, thus searchable by a Catacombs couldn't possibly change just because of the format it's played in, but then, I'm not a judge.  __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
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thror Member
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posted October 28, 2012 01:36 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by nderdog: One of the locals asked whether a Verdant Catacombs could search for a Watery Grave. He was told by an ex-judge that it was format dependent, which makes no sense to me. Can someone confirm or deny this so that I know he's getting the correct answer? Seems to me that the rules that say that a Watery Grave is a Swamp, thus searchable by a Catacombs couldn't possibly change just because of the format it's played in, but then, I'm not a judge. 
if it doesnt make any sense, then it's probably wrong. Verdant Cats can search for a swamp. Watery Grave IS a swamp. The End. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted October 28, 2012 01:56 PM

Can I pay for X when I flashback a spell with X in its mana cost with Snapcaster Mage?
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trying2playagain Banned
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posted October 28, 2012 03:05 PM

If i have a vampire nocturnes in play, and the top card of my library is a gold are one of the use this are this color card. Do my vampires get the benfit since it's a black card. Are do they not get the benfit since it's a red card?
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nderdog Moderator
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posted October 28, 2012 03:10 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by trying2playagain: If i have a vampire nocturnes in play, and the top card of my library is a gold are one of the use this are this color card. Do my vampires get the benfit since it's a black card. Are do they not get the benfit since it's a red card?
As long as the gold card includes black (such as Dreadbore) Nocturnus will give the bonus. Nocturnus triggers on the card containing black, not the absence of any color but black. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
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thror Member
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posted October 28, 2012 03:46 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Can I pay for X when I flashback a spell with X in its mana cost with Snapcaster Mage?
yes you can. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Myy Member
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posted October 28, 2012 05:22 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by thror: if it doesnt make any sense, then it's probably wrong.Verdant Cats can search for a swamp. Watery Grave IS a swamp. The End.
maybe he was trying to be clever/annoying? verdant catacomb was standard legal when Watery Grave wasn't. so technically You can't search for a card that's not legal in the format your playing, because you're not supposed to have it in your deck to begin with. I agree my theory is very unlikely, but It's not farfetched.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted October 28, 2012 06:31 PM

quote: Originally posted by nderdog: One of the locals asked whether a Verdant Catacombs could search for a Watery Grave. He was told by an ex-judge that it was format dependent, which makes no sense to me. Can someone confirm or deny this so that I know he's getting the correct answer? Seems to me that the rules that say that a Watery Grave is a Swamp, thus searchable by a Catacombs couldn't possibly change just because of the format it's played in, but then, I'm not a judge. 
This is about equivalent to asking how much mana a black lotus provides. It's format dependent.
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Devonin Member
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posted October 28, 2012 10:35 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Myy: maybe he was trying to be clever/annoying? verdant catacomb was standard legal when Watery Grave wasn't. so technically You can't search for a card that's not legal in the format your playing, because you're not supposed to have it in your deck to begin with. I agree my theory is very unlikely, but It's not farfetched.
I doubt they were trying to be clever.
They probably took "Can I search for Watery Grave with Verdant Catacombs" to mean "Can I run both cards in my deck" to which the answer is "Depends on the format" Because you can't run them both in standard.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted October 29, 2012 06:36 PM

I bounce an opponents merrow reejerey in response to a cursecatcher. He vials it back in and untaps a permanent. I said that the reejerey had to be in play when the spell was put on the stack, he said I was a dumb idiot. I could be wrong, but I know silence doesn't stop spells on the stack from being cast and this seems very similar. Input?
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caquaa Member
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posted October 29, 2012 10:03 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: I bounce an opponents merrow reejerey in response to a cursecatcher. He vials it back in and untaps a permanent. I said that the reejerey had to be in play when the spell was put on the stack, he said I was a dumb idiot. I could be wrong, but I know silence doesn't stop spells on the stack from being cast and this seems very similar. Input?
some reading of the cards could help: Whenever you cast a Merfolk spell, you may tap or untap target permanent. So you say "in response to a cursecatcher" you actually mean "after my opponent has already cast a cursecatcher." It was in play when the spell was cast (placed on the stack). If you respond to him casting the cursecatcher, it would be after the cursecatcher had already been cast. At this point the ability has already been triggered, target choosen, and placed on the stack before you even gain priority to bounce the meerow reejerey. I'm sure you can clearly see that its far too late to bounce the reejerey just as its too late to cast silence once your opponent has already cast the spell.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted October 29, 2012 10:59 PM

quote: Originally posted by caquaa: some reading of the cards could help: Whenever you cast a Merfolk spell, you may tap or untap target permanent.So you say "in response to a cursecatcher" you actually mean "after my opponent has already cast a cursecatcher." It was in play when the spell was cast (placed on the stack). If you respond to him casting the cursecatcher, it would be after the cursecatcher had already been cast. At this point the ability has already been triggered, target choosen, and placed on the stack before you even gain priority to bounce the meerow reejerey. I'm sure you can clearly see that its far too late to bounce the reejerey just as its too late to cast silence once your opponent has already cast the spell.
I think I typed up the situation incorrectly (my mistake). The cursecatcher was played and he vialed in merrow in response.
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thror Member
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posted October 30, 2012 12:32 AM
  
step1: stop using the word 'played'. things get Cast, activated, or put into a zone.Vial on the battlefield. Opp Casts Cursecatcher. With cursecatcher already on the stack, vials in Reej. Reej does NOT trigger, because it was not on the battlefield at the time cursecatcher was cast. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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oneofchaos Member
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posted October 30, 2012 12:48 AM

quote: Originally posted by thror: step1: stop using the word 'played'. things get Cast, activated, or put into a zone.Vial on the battlefield. Opp Casts Cursecatcher. With cursecatcher already on the stack, vials in Reej. Reej does NOT trigger, because it was not on the battlefield at the time cursecatcher was cast.
That'll do it. Thankey. I think I didn't setup the game state correctly last time, or I would have agreed with my opponent rereading what I posted.
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HerrOttesen Member
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posted October 31, 2012 10:29 AM
  
This one has confused me for awhileSay I have 4 Temple Bells on my side of the field, along with a Jace's Erasure. Before the end of my opponents turn, I tap and activate all four Temple Bells. How do they activate with Jace's Erasure on the field? Since we are both drawing cards with Temple Bell, and multiple ones are being activated, how does he mill cards or in what order?
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FleeceItOut Member
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posted October 31, 2012 03:40 PM

quote: Originally posted by HerrOttesen: This one has confused me for awhileSay I have 4 Temple Bells on my side of the field, along with a Jace's Erasure. Before the end of my opponents turn, I tap and activate all four Temple Bells. How do they activate with Jace's Erasure on the field? Since we are both drawing cards with Temple Bell, and multiple ones are being activated, how does he mill cards or in what order?
temple bell draw --> jace's erasure trigger temple bell draw --> jace's erasure trigger temple bell draw --> jace's erasure trigger temple bell draw --> jace's erasure trigger
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