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stab107
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Not sure how I feel about the Gate lands but I do like a lot of the cards that have been spoiled so far. Limited should be interesting, definitely looking forward to that!
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
I LOVE the gate lands

y?

 
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Detain is just...brilliant. Absolutely ingenious design.
Unleashed is another mechanic that gives a previously-shafted guild a properly fitting mechanic, but Detain... damn.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
y?

I love a new fetchable dual land type with the gatecreepers

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
y?

While I wouldn't say I love them, I do enjoy having access to some another set of enemy aligned duals. It can be very important for EDH players who don't have access to a bunch of duals and fetches.

That's a complaint I here frequently with local players who have not been playing the game forever. Also notice there's a functional reprint of Rupture Spire on the spoiler. A move that's, again, likely aimed at the EDH crowd.

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Niv mizzet and insperia are pretty ridiculous. So far the mythics have been pretty nice. Niv mizzet may make u/r miracles quite playable
 
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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
Niv mizzet and insperia are pretty ridiculous. So far the mythics have been pretty nice. Niv mizzet may make u/r miracles quite playable

Like the new isperia more than the new niv.

New isperia differs more from the og isperia. New Niv seems more similar to old self. Just +1/+1 and sorta flipped abilities even the art is very similar

Just waiting for new rakdos!

[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on September 02, 2012]

 
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Originally posted by choco man:
Like the new isperia more than the new niv.


Yes definitely. Niv just isn't doing it for me.

 
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Yes definitely. Niv just isn't doing it for me.


They might has well have just reprinted that thing, except this the reprint would have been a better card.

And consecrated sphinx is better than the new Ispera. I also don't like his name with his ability. I mean if he's judging than he should give the options of maybe either draw a card or do something to the creature. If 20 tokens are coming at you, those 20 cards probably aren't gonna save you anyways

The new jace also makes me sad.

But the power level on the common/uncommon stuff is very nice. Too bad the new terminate is a rare, which I didn't expect

 
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
They might has well have just reprinted that thing, except this the reprint would have been a better card.

And consecrated sphinx is better than the new Ispera. I also don't like his name with his ability. I mean if he's judging than he should give the options of maybe either draw a card or do something to the creature. If 20 tokens are coming at you, those 20 cards probably aren't gonna save you anyways


I think the new Niv is a bit better at attacking. So for competitive play, he might be better than old. But for casual, taking the old Niv all day! Making Jace TMS a Arc Lightning is gravy.

But for the new Isperia, even though I like it better than new Niv, disappointed as well. The art is epic, wished the card was epic also. But that's a lot of cards.

 
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quote:
If 20 tokens are coming at you, those 20 cards probably aren't gonna save you anyways

This part isn't necessarily true, since (unless I'm totally wrong, then I'll just edit this out) the trigger happens whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, you can draw X cards and do something before blockers & combat damage happens. Miracle Terminus (not that you'd want to with Isperia out, but if 20 tokens are coming at you...), Bonfire if you're UWr or whatever, Safe Passage (lol?), etc.

I didn't play during Ravnica so I honestly don't care about how the new cards are compared to the old ones, I just care about how they are now. I do like a lot of the spoiled cards though, especially Rakdos's Return and Dreadbore.

New Jace isn't terrible, though it's really his -2 ability that's decent.

I like the charms.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 03, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:

The new jace also makes me sad.

While I kind of like the new Jace, and think he's one of the better walkers printed in awhile. He didn't have to be good. The two walkers could be worse than Tibalt and the set would still be totally jawesome. I'm glad that Jace is at least decent. I mean, I'm still totally stoked about Dreadbore, Gate lands, and the opportunity to rip some rav duals, with IMO better art!

Anxious to see walker #2, but at this point my expectations for an awesome set have been reached.

 
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maybe one day, there will be a walker with a static effect on the board.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
maybe one day, there will be a walker with a static effect on the board.

you mean like emblems?

 
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Originally posted by Myy:
you mean like emblems?

Not an ultimate that gives you an emblem.

Something that is right away.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Not an ultimate that gives you an emblem.

Something that is right away.


Not to split hairs, but Sorin, LoI has a non-ultimate emblem you can get right away. I'm assuming you mean something more like an enchantment where you don't have to activate a loyalty ability to get it.

Looking at the new Niv from an EDH perspective, he might be better for those actually trying to play UR as a non-combo deck. I just remember drawing instant hate when I played the old Niv, even if I did not build the deck around abusing his ability.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Not to split hairs, but Sorin, LoI has a non-ultimate emblem you can get right away. I'm assuming you mean something more like an enchantment where you don't have to activate a loyalty ability to get it.

Looking at the new Niv from an EDH perspective, he might be better for those actually trying to play UR as a non-combo deck. I just remember drawing instant hate when I played the old Niv, even if I did not build the deck around abusing his ability.


About the static ability thing, it's not that I don't think emblems are bad or anything. In fact, I think they're awesome. You have work to them, but they are better than enchantments because you can't negate emblems. Yeah, Sorin's ain't an ultimate. Thanks for reminding me, I actually forgot.

But just like how Sorin's emblem isn't an ultimate (IE, you can use RIGHT AWAY), I'm just talking about something different.

Sorin v2.0 got an emblem from a non-ultimate, Jace TMS has 4 loyalty abilities. What about a PW that just hits the board and has a non-loyalty ability/effect. I think that's a better phrasing of what I meant.

And I agree with you on the new Niv being much safer. This is probably the only safe Izzet general that's decent. Playing Tibor stinks, and playing the other ones paints a huge target on you.

 
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Havoc Festival made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I have a feeling Malfegor may return to the EDH table .
 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
About the static ability thing, it's not that I don't think emblems are bad or anything. In fact, I think they're awesome. You have work to them, but they are better than enchantments because you can't negate emblems. Yeah, Sorin's ain't an ultimate. Thanks for reminding me, I actually forgot.

But just like how Sorin's emblem isn't an ultimate (IE, you can use RIGHT AWAY), I'm just talking about something different.

Sorin v2.0 got an emblem from a non-ultimate, Jace TMS has 4 loyalty abilities. What about a PW that just hits the board and has a non-loyalty ability/effect. I think that's a better phrasing of what I meant.

And I agree with you on the new Niv being much safer. This is probably the only safe Izzet general that's decent. Playing Tibor stinks, and playing the other ones paints a huge target on you.


No offense, but wanting a non-interactive static effect isn't exactly a pinnacle of magic design.

In other news, that Dryad Militant is pretty freaking spicy. Agressive, powerful, huge synergies with GSZ and ranger of eos, and easy to cast? Maverick decks just got a shiny new toy. That deck is almost entirely hate bears now.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
No offense, but wanting a non-interactive static effect isn't exactly a pinnacle of magic design.

In other news, that Dryad Militant is pretty freaking spicy. Agressive, powerful, huge synergies with GSZ and ranger of eos, and easy to cast? Maverick decks just got a shiny new toy. That deck is almost entirely hate bears now.


Love the power creep for creatures, and lack of for instant sorceries lol. Funny how savannah lions was overpowered when I started. Now you can print a savannah lions with abilities in 1 or 2 colors and call it fair!

This was definitely a nod toward hurting snapcaster decks in standard, but I think it will trickle down into most other formats.

 
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B: Regenerate ~.
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
~Lotleth Troll
BG
Creature-Zombie Troll
Trample
Discard a creature card from your hand: Put a
+1/+1 counter on ~.
B: Regenerate ~.
2/1

I really want them to make enough cards to make boneyard wurm playable. Unfortunately as of right now everything costs 2 and nothing costs 1 which makes even a god hand ungodly

 
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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
While I wouldn't say I love them, I do enjoy having access to some another set of enemy aligned duals. It can be very important for EDH players who don't have access to a bunch of duals and fetches.

I would certainly use these new duals in a highlander deck, but in a typical 60 card two-color deck I would choose evolving wilds over this. The ability to thin out lands is more useful than having something that can tap for either, and both cards have the same downside of producing no mana on the first turn.

If they have some powerful "gate" interactions that all changes.

 
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