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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Desecration Demon
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Creature - Demon Rare
Flying
At the beginning of each combat, any opponent may sacrifice a creature. If a player does, tap Desecration Demon and put a +1/+1 counter on it.
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Can't count on it to deal damage or block. Flying is pretty irrelevant when you opponent could just sac a ground dude to take him out of the picture. He is more like a 4 mana edict that only works when your opponent choose to. Trap written all over it.

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Desecration Demon and Blood Artist make a great pair
 
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"At The Beginning of Each Combat" also says to me that it goes

"I declare the start of my attack step"
"I sac a dude, tapping your man"


Which means it taps, gets +1/+1 and then if you have any means with which to untap it, you can do so, and still declare it as an attacker.

If nothing else, he's pretty beefy in EDH with the prevalence of things that can untap him in response to the tap resolving, or at least untap him to continue being a blocker on other players turns.

And "4 mana for 'At the beginning of your combat step, your opponent sacrifices a creature'" as an enchantment that might sometimes get to swing for big damage isn't exactly a kick in the teeth.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on September 09, 2012]

 
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Can't count on it, but you'd have to look at what kind of decks he'd likely be played in. Namely, the mono-black midrange/control type decks. You drop this guy on turn 3-4 and Mutilate the next turn and you're going to be doing pretty well. Not that I have any idea what kind of metagame RtR is going to have or if something similar to mono-black would be viable/competitive, but the point being, this card might not be one that's for every deck to play, but could be very good in certain ones.

That, or you're playing against control and they simply don't HAVE creatures to sacrifice.

He's also a possibility in some zombie decks (if everyone isn't already gravitating to BG or jund zombie) with Blood Artists.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 09, 2012]

 
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Can't count on it, but you'd have to look at what kind of decks he'd likely be played in. Namely, the mono-black midrange/control type decks. You drop this guy on turn 3-4 and Mutilate the next turn and you're going to be doing pretty well. Not that I have any idea what kind of metagame RtR is going to have or if something similar to mono-black would be viable/competitive, but the point being, this card might not be one that's for every deck to play, but could be very good in certain ones.

That, or you're playing against control and they simply don't HAVE creatures to sacrifice.

He's also a possibility in some zombie decks (if everyone isn't already gravitating to BG or jund zombie) with Blood Artists.


The biggest problem with this guy is that essentially all your opponents creatures can chump him, even the ground dude that attacked you last turn.

Abyssal prosecutor really wasn't bad, caw-blade was just too dominating at that time and some very good cards couldn't shine because of it. Sword of feast and famine also made life really hard for black

If abyssal prosecutor is reprinted now, I would think it definitely will definitely see play

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Can't count on it, but you'd have to look at what kind of decks he'd likely be played in. Namely, the mono-black midrange/control type decks. You drop this guy on turn 3-4 and Mutilate the next turn and you're going to be doing pretty well. Not that I have any idea what kind of metagame RtR is going to have or if something similar to mono-black would be viable/competitive, but the point being, this card might not be one that's for every deck to play, but could be very good in certain ones.

That, or you're playing against control and they simply don't HAVE creatures to sacrifice.

He's also a possibility in some zombie decks (if everyone isn't already gravitating to BG or jund zombie) with Blood Artists.


Mono black control is a myth. Every time a new set is spoiled, people will say certain card is good in MBC, but when is the last time MBC saw play in standard? Until Phyrexian Arena is reprinted, I will say MBC is dead and won't be coming back.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
Mono black control is a myth. Every time a new set is spoiled, people will say certain card is good in MBC, but when is the last time MBC saw play in standard? Until Phyrexian Arena is reprinted, I will say MBC is dead and won't be coming back.


Agreed. With that said, Jund Control looks decent right now if there's additional redundancy for ramping beyond farseek. Signets would be too much to ask, but the ability to mutilate or mizzium mortars by turn 4, then drop vraska, thragtusk, or the demon sounds like a solid gameplan. Additionally, bonfire, demon, and blood artist are quite synergistic, so I'm looking forward to seeing if that little engine gets any more tools.

 
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Chromatic lantern is pretty good ramp and mana fixing. but it doesnt let you play mutilate.

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quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
I would think it definitely will definitely see play

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
Mono black control is a myth. Every time a new set is spoiled, people will say certain card is good in MBC, but when is the last time MBC saw play in standard? Until Phyrexian Arena is reprinted, I will say MBC is dead and won't be coming back.


*golfclap*

As much as I'd love to see it rise up again and be a real deck(I love MBC) it never does. I agree on all points with you.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on September 09, 2012]

 
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Do you guys think that the 3/4 for 1 is good? The loss of the card is pretty important. End game it does nothing unless you can fill your hand. The hybrid mana makes it decent, but I don't think that it is going to do anything.

I think the desecration demon is good sideboard against a deck that has little creatures.

 
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Nivmagus Elemental
(U/R)
Creature-Elemental
Exile an instant or sorcery spell you control:
Put two +1/+1 counters on Nivmagus Elemental.
1/2

Interesting

 
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quote:
Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Do you guys think that the 3/4 for 1 is good? The loss of the card is pretty important. End game it does nothing unless you can fill your hand. The hybrid mana makes it decent, but I don't think that it is going to do anything.

I think the desecration demon is good sideboard against a deck that has little creatures.


why would you want an abyss effect against a deck with small creatures? cant you just Mutilate or something?

also, the little red 1 drop can be a lot more than a 3/4. Any time you have an instant or sorcery on the stack, you can exile it to put 2 +1/+1 counters on him. However, this does leave you open to massive card disadvantage.

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Originally posted by thror:
also, the little red 1 drop can be a lot more than a 3/4. Any time you have an instant or sorcery on the stack, you can exile it to put 2 +1/+1 counters on him. However, this does leave you open to massive card disadvantage.


Finally, provides a use for Index? :P


[Edited 2 times, lastly by RJM on September 09, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by RJM:
Finally, provides a use for Index? :P

How does he interact with replicate? or storm?

If it goes the way I think, it may be fun to play him in legacy with flusterstorm

[Edited 2 times, lastly by nailbunny7 on September 10, 2012]

 
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Originally posted by nailbunny7:
How does he interact with replicate? or storm?

If it goes the way I think, it may be fun to play him in legacy with flusterstorm


You control the spells.

That would be interesting if you only need a force spike or two and exile the rest.

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
You control the spells.

That would be interesting if you only need a force spike or two and exile the rest.



so it works?

 
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quote:
Jund Control looks decent right now

I'm messing around with a Jund Control build now. Obviously MBC is dead for a year since RtR is unlikely to allow for any mono-colored deck, period, but some versions of it were actually starting to place higher and higher in various SCG events within the last few months.

Underworld Connections doesn't seem bad at all. Outside of someone playing an Acidic Slime in a blink deck (ha ha no more pod), there really isn't that much land destruction running around, is there?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Nivmagus Elemental
(U/R)
Creature-Elemental
Exile an instant or sorcery spell you control:
Put two +1/+1 counters on Nivmagus Elemental.
1/2

Interesting


Is it just me or is this card going to be bonkers? It is already a 1/2 for 1 mana. This plus Delver which is stacked with instants already is just to good. Also with flashback you get more mileage out of stuff like Forbidden Alchemy or you can dump situational spells like Feeling of Dread.

 
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Originally posted by AGO:
Is it just me or is this card going to be bonkers? It is already a 1/2 for 1 mana. This plus Delver which is stacked with instants already is just to good. Also with flashback you get more mileage out of stuff like Forbidden Alchemy or you can dump situational spells like Feeling of Dread.


It exiles the spell from your hand, so you can't use the flashback. No evasion.

 
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
It exiles the spell from your hand, so you can't use the flashback. No evasion.

no, it exiles the spell fromt he stack.

 
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Originally posted by Myy:
no, it exiles the spell fromt he stack.

Reading is tech!

 
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Originally posted by Myy:
no, it exiles the spell fromt he stack.

I totally read it, just had no idea that's what it meant. Makes sense now, lol.

Still don't see why it's good either.



[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 10, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:

Still don't see why it's good either.



I guess people like it because it allows you to recycle countered/fizzling spells. That still doesn't make it particularly good in my book, however. Neat, but not good.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I totally read it, just had no idea that's what it meant. Makes sense now, lol.

Still don't see why it's good either.


If your stuff gets countered or responded to you can at least gain some value from it by exiling it or just dump your spells for the kill. Also your opponent has to remember that you can boost it during combat.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
why would you want an abyss effect against a deck with small creatures? cant you just Mutilate or something?

also, the little red 1 drop can be a lot more than a 3/4. Any time you have an instant or sorcery on the stack, you can exile it to put 2 +1/+1 counters on him. However, this does leave you open to massive card disadvantage.


Wow little isn't size it's amount...

 

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