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Originally posted by Demilio:
I think Jund is where it's at... look at what you have access to:

Borderland Ranger
Dreg Mangler
Flinthoof Boar
Huntmaster of the Fells
Thragtusk
Thundermaw Hellkite

Bonfire of the Damned
Dreadbore
Farseek
Mizzium Mortars
Rakdos Return
Vraska, the Unseen

Blood Crypt
Kessig Wolf Run
Overgrown Tomb
Rootbound Crag
Woodland Cemetery

side:
Ancient Grudge
Garruk Relentless
Olivia Volderen
Pillar of Flame
Tree of Redemption
Zealous Conscripts
Slaughter Games

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Supreme Verdict
1WWU
Sorcery
Supreme Verdict can't be countered.
Destroy all creatures.

Slitherhead - Plant Zombie (relevant for the Zombie part)
Hybrid B/G
1/1
Scavenge 0

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
From the spoiled mechanics, golgari seems to be the weakest guild

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I'm quoting this not to try to throw egg on your face, fluffycow - not at all. In fact, I think given the time at which you made your post, your statement here is fairly reasonable.

I'm quoting this because clearly, as we can all see, Golgari's got some pretty powerful stuff coming down the pipes. Maybe enough to spawn a BG deck right off the bat after release.
And yet, a few days ago, folks were calling it out - fairly, you could even say - as one of the weakest combinations in the set.
Goes to show, really (although again, this is a disease more common to salvation than to here on MOTL), that you can't make an accurate snap judgment of a set, or a mechanic, or most anything really, with an insufficient sample size.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
What's the difference between "Can't be countered." and "Can't be countered by spells or abilities."?

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Can't be countered goes on spells that don't have a target (Root sliver, Gaea's revenge, etc) and the other one goes on spells that have a target ( DemonFire, Wreak Havoc, etc).

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Originally posted by Myy:
Can't be countered goes on spells that don't have a target (Root sliver, Gaea's revenge, etc) and the other one goes on spells that have a target ( DemonFire, Wreak Havoc, etc).

the exact reason behind the "abilities" part, I used to know this... I'll get back to you.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Well there are abilities that can counter spells. I assume it's for Voidmage Prodigy and others like it?

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no.. I believe it has something to do with how they are countered. i.e. that new uncounterable WoG can't fizzle, even if you remove all creatures from the battlefield, the actual spell is not countered. It still resolves and does what it does.
on the other hand a spell with a target can still be "countered" by the games rules. i.e you try to destroy a creature or artifact or whatever with converted mana cost 3 or less, if that permanent is returned to a hand, given protection or removed before the spell resolves, the uncounterable spell fizzles and is essencialy "countered" for lack of a legal target.

I guess on the flip side, the only blue spoiled so far is weak-Tibalt's blood brother Jace. It seems the two have made a pact to see who can be the weakest!! All that hype... Even beautiful artwork with Niv... Less than $10 Walker again..

It's gotta be a tough job to create new heat while keeping the game somewhat strategy based and not just assassin tokens that's game over! Lol!

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Originally posted by LNT-Master:
I dunno if I like Vraska and Populate, ESP. Root born defenses... At least with the Mind Sculptor, u still had to know how to use him. 6 1/1 indestructible game-Enders...

I guess on the flip side, the only blue spoiled so far is weak-Tibalt's blood brother Jace. It seems the two have made a pact to see who can be the weakest!! All that hype... Even beautiful artwork with Niv... Less than $10 Walker again..

It's gotta be a tough job to create new heat while keeping the game somewhat strategy based and not just assassin tokens that's game over! Lol!

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That uncountable smother could be relevant in Legacy, i think all this uncounterability won't be very relevant in standard.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Set is looking REALLY good.
That uncountable smother could be relevant in Legacy, i think all this uncounterability won't be very relevant in standard.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Set is looking REALLY good.

That uncountable smother could be relevant in Legacy, i think all this uncounterability won't be very relevant in standard.

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Originally posted by Myy:
why they would use those exact words is what I'm trying to remember, because there was a reason. I can't figure it out right now, why not just put "can't be countered".[/B]

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
so are you saying that if I target your creature you cannot bounce him back to your hand or blink him? Isn't that split second?

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He's saying that if you target his creature with Terror and he casts Unsummon that your spell will be "countered" by the game rules. If you had a Multani's Presence in play, you would get to draw a card.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=12490

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
It's because targeted spells that "cannot be countered by spells or abilities" can still be countered by the rules of the game, such as when their original target is removed.

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ok ok, yeah I get it, don't know why I dind't get it earlier.

Yep, the non-targeted spells can't be countered no matter what. so the words " can't be countered" are precise.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I'm quoting this not to try to throw egg on your face, fluffycow - not at all. In fact, I think given the time at which you made your post, your statement here is fairly reasonable.

I'm quoting this because clearly, as we can all see, Golgari's got some pretty powerful stuff coming down the pipes. Maybe enough to spawn a BG deck right off the bat after release.
And yet, a few days ago, folks were calling it out - fairly, you could even say - as one of the weakest combinations in the set.
Goes to show, really (although again, this is a disease more common to salvation than to here on MOTL), that you can't make an accurate snap judgment of a set, or a mechanic, or most anything really, with an insufficient sample size.

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Yeah definitely spoke too soon. Scavenge just seems really weak and slow unless both players are in top deck mode.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Yeah definitely spoke too soon. Scavenge just seems really weak and slow unless both players are in top deck mode.

On a side note, this set has way too many awesome rares which I hope means that there's gonna be a huge flood in the market and plummet all the shocklands to around 5

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Set is looking REALLY good.

That uncountable smother could be relevant in Legacy, i think all this uncounterability won't be very relevant in standard.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
In the words of Ron Simmons, DAMN!

An uncountable 4/4 for 3 that you put on the battlefield if your opponent forces you to discard it? This set is bonkers.

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and from a different perspective, oh look, a vanilla 4/4 for 3, in green white. shrug.

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