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Originally posted by AGO:
If your stuff gets countered or responded to you can at least gain some value from it by exiling it or just dump your spells for the kill. Also your opponent has to remember that you can boost it during combat.

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Yeah I guess if they can't answer it, you can make it pretty big in a hurry. 5/6 on turn 2. Woulda been pretty crazy with phyrexian mana spells.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Wow little isn't size it's amount...

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Man, you must be fun at parties.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Yeah I guess if they can't answer it, you can make it pretty big in a hurry. 5/6 on turn 2. Woulda been pretty crazy with phyrexian mana spells.

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Well, I guess you could still use Probe, Snuff Out, and Invigorate all in one go. Doesn't seem like the best application of the card, however.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Wow little isn't size it's amount...

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then the word you were looking for is 'few' aka 'not many'. if i said 'you have little shoes', what does that mean?

regardless, its still a bad black demon in a long line of bad black demons. moving along.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

Well, I guess you could still use Probe, Snuff Out, and Invigorate all in one go. Doesn't seem like the best application of the card, however.

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Originally posted by AGO:
Also Snapcaster lets you reuse some of your spells to boost him.

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Just realized that I forgot Surgical Extraction in that list. As for SCM... I was thinking (above) in terms of an all-in-ASAP-like-Poison type use, for which Snapcaster is not best suited.

In the end, it's an interesting card, but... what happens when your opponent declines to interact with your spells on the stack? You end up exiling your stuff before it can resolve, thus consuming your own resources and inviting removal. Since it gets two counters, it's a decent trade in some situations, but... I just can't see it going very far, at least in Legacy. I'd rather spend the extra mana and use Kiln Fiend.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

Just realized that I forgot Surgical Extraction in that list. As for SCM... I was thinking (above) in terms of an all-in-ASAP-like-Poison type use, for which Snapcaster is not best suited.

In the end, it's an interesting card, but... what happens when your opponent declines to interact with your spells on the stack? You end up exiling your stuff before it can resolve, thus consuming your own resources and inviting removal. Since it gets two counters, it's a decent trade in some situations, but... I just can't see it going very far, at least in Legacy. I'd rather spend the extra mana and use Kiln Fiend.

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The way priority and the stack work, you cast a spell, and it goes on the stack. You have to decide RIGHT NOW (before the opp does anything) if you want to let the elemental eat it for +2/+2. If you pass priority, and the opp doesnt respond, your spell resolves, and it's too late.

So you cant 'bait a counterspell, oh he didnt counter, i pump my guy instead of whatever the spell would do'.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I'm messing around with a Jund Control build now. Obviously MBC is dead for a year since RtR is unlikely to allow for any mono-colored deck, period, but some versions of it were actually starting to place higher and higher in various SCG events within the last few months.

Underworld Connections doesn't seem bad at all. Outside of someone playing an Acidic Slime in a blink deck (ha ha no more pod), there really isn't that much land destruction running around, is there?

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Do you have a link to the MBC deck list that is starting to do well? I did a quick search on mono black, and only found 1 deck that made top 8 since 2012.

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Do you have a link to the MBC deck list that is starting to do well? I did a quick search on mono black, and only found 1 deck that made top 8 since 2012.

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There's the one from Seattle (which is probably the one you found). I also recall a mono-black midrange placing pretty high somewhere in a non-trivial tournament, but I can't find the post that I remember seeing it from (it's probably on the mono black control Primer on MTGS). It might not have been as major as a SCG Open or anything, though. A couple others haven't t8'd, but got something like t16. I'm not saying MBC is amazingly competitive, just not quite fully dead.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
There's the one from Seattle (which is probably the one you found). I also recall a mono-black midrange placing pretty high somewhere in a non-trivial tournament, but I can't find the post that I remember seeing it from (it's probably on the mono black control Primer on MTGS). It might not have been as major as a SCG Open or anything, though. A couple others haven't t8'd, but got something like t16. I'm not saying MBC is amazingly competitive, just not quite fully dead.

I REALLY like the enchant land for MBC or rakdos/jund versions of MBC. IIRC the only semi-played cards that would screw it are Acidic Slime and Ghost Quarter and neither are heavily played. Staff of Nin has been doing pretty well, but 3-drop vs 6-drop card advantage. It's basically a Phyrexian Arena that has to enchant a land over being a standalone enchantment. You might have to give up a draw here or there but it shouldn't be very often. IMO, most likely just on turn 4 when you're looking to Mutilate.

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Underworld Connections is probably the closest thing we got as an Arena replacement, and I am very skeptical about it. Not a big fan of wasting a land/mana to draw a card. You need to invest 4 mana on your first card, 5 for two, 6 for three, etc. Not a terrible card if the format is going to be slow, but that doesn't seem to be the case, and I don't see how anyone could expect to get 4 or 5 uses of this card in a game consistently.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Turn 1. island. drop mivmagus elemental. turn 2. island. tap both. flight. flight. exile both. swing for 5. for some reason i like it.

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five cards to deal five non-evasive damage on turn two from a single body.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
five cards to deal five non-evasive damage on turn two from a single body.

I feel like Legacy and Vintage have figured out better returns on investment than that.

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you mean, mountain, goblin guide, bolt? that's 7 damage on turn2 for 3 cards.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Jarad's Orders
2BG
Sorcery
Search your library for up to two creature cards and
reveal them. Put one into your hand and the other into
your graveyard. Then shuffle your library.

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Faerie Imposter
u
Creature - Faerie Rogue Uncommon
Flying
When Faerie Imposter enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless you return another creature you control to its owner's hand.
Illus. Johann Bodin #39/274 2/1

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Snapcaster Mage loves this card.

EDIT:

Growing Ranks: 2 g/w g/w
Enchantment - Rare
At the beginning of your upkeep, Populate.

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Cryptborn Horror: 1 b/r b/r
Creature - Horror
Trample
Cryptborn Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the total life lost by your opponents this turn.
0/0

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Cyclonic Rift: 1U
Instant - Rare
Return target nonland permanent you don't control to its owner's hand.

Overload 6U (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each")

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Martial Law 2WW
Enchantment – Rare
At the beginning of your upkeep detain one target creature your opponent controls.
(Until your next turn, that creature can’t attack or block and their activated abilities can’t be activated.)

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~Slime shaping
Sorcery (Uncommon)
Put an X/X green Ooze token into the battlefield.

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And, this one's from yesterday, but no one's mentioned it, and I think it will be fun in EDH:

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Originally posted by thror:
you mean, mountain, goblin guide, bolt? that's 7 damage on turn2 for 3 cards.

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Exactly, or any number of any other plays which are more efficient than the one I quoted and have the added benefit of not devouring more than half your opening hand.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Anyone else think Cyclonic Rift is totally awesome?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
five cards to deal five non-evasive damage on turn two from a single body.

I feel like Legacy and Vintage have figured out better returns on investment than that.

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There's Flusterstorm, I guess. Still not brilliant.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Anyone else think Cyclonic Rift is totally awesome?

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Instant speed makes it brutal. EoT, clear your entire board and swing.
Obviously nuts in EDH. It'd be hilarious against tokens if it were a bit cheaper.