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gcowhsu Member	posted September 04, 2012 10:30 AM I like that troll, he is great with scavange and even better with unburial rights. I hope WBG will have some good stuff. WOuld not use him with boneyard wurm because the things that get discard will most likely recur.
fluffycow Member	posted September 04, 2012 02:28 PM quote: Originally posted by gcowhsu: I like that troll, he is great with scavange and even better with unburial rights. I hope WBG will have some good stuff. WOuld not use him with boneyard wurm because the things that get discard will most likely recur. Yeah boneyard wurm is too much work for too little reward. From the spoiled mechanics, golgari seems to be the weakest guild
Zeckk Member	posted September 04, 2012 03:33 PM quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: Yeah boneyard wurm is too much work for too little reward. From the spoiled mechanics, golgari seems to be the weakest guild Based on what's spoiled so far, Rakdos is winning the "weakest guild" argument. With that said, Jund Zombies is looking pretty amazing. Great 2 drop, great 3 drop, and if rakdos or golgari charm are in any way playable, you have a rather solid curve on top of a pristine mana base.
choco man Member	posted September 04, 2012 04:59 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: No offense, but wanting a non-interactive static effect isn't exactly a pinnacle of magic design. So what? Dreadbore isn't the pinnacle of magic design and it's awesome! Dracogenius isn't the pinnacle either. Looks like there's going to be a lot of gold/hybrid cards in this set worth cubing with. Good thing I count Stillmoon as a 3cc White card, helps fit everything in! That GB 2/1 is awesome.
WeedIan Member	posted September 04, 2012 09:23 PM New BG planeswalker.
skizzikmonger Member	posted September 04, 2012 09:34 PM Vraska the Unseen 3BG Planeswalker-Vraska +1: Until your next turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to Vraska the Unseen, destroy that creature. -3: Destroy target nonland permanent. -7: Put three 1/1 black Assassin tokens onto the battlefield with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game." 5
revenger Member	posted September 04, 2012 10:00 PM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Vraska the Unseen 3BG Planeswalker-Vraska +1: Until your next turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to Vraska the Unseen, destroy that creature. -3: Destroy target nonland permanent. -7: Put three 1/1 black Assassin tokens onto the battlefield with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game." 5 The first GB walker. I like him/her/it. Now i need a good GB general for commander (not Jared). __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 33rd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party services. Email me if interested.
ryan2754 Member	posted September 04, 2012 10:00 PM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Vraska the Unseen 3BG Planeswalker-Vraska +1: Until your next turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to Vraska the Unseen, destroy that creature. -3: Destroy target nonland permanent. -7: Put three 1/1 black Assassin tokens onto the battlefield with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game." 5 Some of these Golgari oriented cards, including the PW above (SICK), make me wish I still had my +1/+1 counter oriented Skullbriar EDH deck - Death's Presence, Corpsejack Menace would be AUTO includes. Had to sell it. These cards make me want to rebuild it...sad face. __________________ -Schmitty 85th in Refs [282] on MOTL (2 behind Gamma_1) 2nd in Refs [282] in OH-IO (72 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [7466] in OH-IO (only 600 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino [Edited 1 times, lastly by ryan2754 on September 04, 2012]
stab107 Member	posted September 04, 2012 10:07 PM Love the new BG PW, however I am not really seeing where the green is justified other than that second ability being able to hit artifacts and enchantments. Making a bunch of mini-Phage's is rather appealing, though . edit: In fact, I might choose Golgari at the pre-re if it gives me any better chance of cracking this bad girl. [Edited 1 times, lastly by stab107 on September 04, 2012]
Heresy19 Member	posted September 05, 2012 05:11 AM She's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hilikuS Member	posted September 05, 2012 05:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Heresy19: She's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man if she wasn't guaranteed to rot my weener off, I'd totally do her. I love her too. quote: Originally posted by stab107: edit: In fact, I might choose Golgari at the pre-re if it gives me any better chance of cracking this bad girl. I don't think she has a watermark. [Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 05, 2012]
fluffycow Member	posted September 05, 2012 06:16 AM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Vraska the Unseen 3BG Planeswalker-Vraska +1: Until your next turn, whenever a creature deals combat damage to Vraska the Unseen, destroy that creature. -3: Destroy target nonland permanent. -7: Put three 1/1 black Assassin tokens onto the battlefield with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game." 5 These names don't have the same flavor as Innistrad, they may need Garfield back. If she's unseen, shouldn't she be a little harder to hit, so the +1 should be something like "non-black/ non-artifact creatures can't attack her until your next turn". But other than that neat card, the ultimate seems rather weak though. But I guess only getting my as s kicked by it would change my mind
Vegas10 Member	posted September 05, 2012 06:55 AM This plainswalker looks good if your playing Golgari, I'd be hard pressed not to play this unless it was a real low curve fast aggro deck, but seems very nice for a midrange or control deck. All the abilites can be relevent, though the ultimate may have trouble actually getting in there for the win.
Myy Member	posted September 05, 2012 08:24 AM quote: Originally posted by Vegas10: This plainswalker looks good if your playing Golgari, I'd be hard pressed not to play this unless it was a real low curve fast aggro deck, but seems very nice for a midrange or control deck. All the abilites can be relevent, though the ultimate may have trouble actually getting in there for the win. maybe Mutilate, and then the ultimate? could work unless def. player has a hand full of creatures or a mass removal spell as well.
gcowhsu Member	posted September 05, 2012 09:48 AM The new GW planeswalker is super good. Probably best since Jace. She defends herself and has a high starting loyalty. Her ult is very good. Just throw a rancor on one of them and you can probably get through. Any card that can create 3 creature for nothing is the nuts it doesn't matter what those creatures do.
hilikuS Member	posted September 05, 2012 10:11 AM quote: Originally posted by gcowhsu: The new GW planeswalker is super good. Probably best since Jace. She defends herself and has a high starting loyalty. Her ult is very good. Just throw a rancor on one of them and you can probably get through. Any card that can create 3 creature for nothing is the nuts it doesn't matter what those creatures do. I went GW PLANESWALKER, WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT??! But you mean GB.
thror Member	posted September 05, 2012 10:41 AM quote: Originally posted by gcowhsu: The new GW planeswalker is super good. Probably best since Jace. She defends herself and has a high starting loyalty. Her ult is very good. Just throw a rancor on one of them and you can probably get through. Any card that can create 3 creature for nothing is the nuts it doesn't matter what those creatures do. Three creatures for SEVEN loyalty is certainly not 'nothing'. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
Myy Member	posted September 05, 2012 11:04 AM quote: Originally posted by thror: Three creatures for SEVEN loyalty is certainly not 'nothing'. not nothing? does that mean it's something? EDIT: I hope it doesn't reach cirtical levels in value. I mean she's cool and all, but I don't wanna pay $40 for her [Edited 1 times, lastly by Myy on September 05, 2012]
gcowhsu Member	posted September 05, 2012 11:15 AM I take it back her + ability effectively can do nothing. Put her slightly above venser.
hilikuS Member	posted September 05, 2012 12:46 PM quote: Originally posted by gcowhsu: I take it back her + ability effectively can do nothing. Put her slightly above venser. It makes her more costly to kill, especially if you need to send multiple guys to do it. The ultimate is a bit narrow, but I just think it's so darn cool anyway. It's also only 3 turns away. I like that she starts with 5 for 5 mana, and her second ability is pretty darn good in and of itself. [Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 05, 2012]
fluffycow Member	posted September 05, 2012 01:44 PM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: It makes her more costly to kill, especially if you need to send multiple guys to do it. The ultimate is a bit narrow, but I just think it's so darn cool anyway. It's also only 3 turns away. I like that she starts with 5 for 5 mana, and her second ability is pretty darn good in and of itself. I don't see how it can possibly be constructed playable though, so that $30 pre-sale price is gonna be more like $12 before we get to play with watery grave in standard
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted September 05, 2012 03:20 PM drowned catacombs evolving wilds farseek that artifact in the innistrad block like travellers amulet the new artifact that makes all lands tap for any color seriously, Im considering a b/g/w/u deck right now. and I am not overly concerned about manabase.
choco man Member	posted September 05, 2012 04:01 PM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: It makes her more costly to kill, especially if you need to send multiple guys to do it. The ultimate is a bit narrow, but I just think it's so darn cool anyway. It's also only 3 turns away. I like that she starts with 5 for 5 mana, and her second ability is pretty darn good in and of itself. Really, really costly. @ 6 loyalty to kill, it's more than a Thundermaw Hellkite.
Bagbokk Member	posted September 05, 2012 05:11 PM Well--I know almost exactly what deck I'm playing in RtR. I'll wait for the rest of the set to get spoiled, but man. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 05, 2012]
Demilio Member	posted September 05, 2012 05:49 PM I think Jund is where it's at... look at what you have access to: Borderland Ranger Dreg Mangler Flinthoof Boar Huntmaster of the Fells Thragtusk Thundermaw Hellkite Bonfire of the Damned Dreadbore Farseek Mizzium Mortars Rakdos Return Vraska, the Unseen Blood Crypt Kessig Wolf Run Overgrown Tomb Rootbound Crag Woodland Cemetery side: Ancient Grudge Garruk Relentless Olivia Volderen Pillar of Flame Tree of Redemption Zealous Conscripts Slaughter Games [Edited 5 times, lastly by Demilio on September 05, 2012]

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