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Originally posted by MagixDK:
so...

I sold this alpha card. It was listed as inked.

i gave a scan of the inked cards, in normal and in super high resolution (last via download).

via pm I confirmed with the buyer that the card was indeed inked.

Now the buyer has recived the card and wants a refund because the card is inked.

wth?

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Offer to buy it back for half the price. Call it idiot tax.

I know sometimes things look nicer in the scan but when you get a good deal its usually too good to be true.

I bought an extended art card for $14 once when the card itself was worth $10. I knew the alter was likely to be bad but I took the risk and it was bad (you can really see the brush strokes).

People just want to be handed gold for nothing.

liar: "I want your Rofellos. You looking to trade your Champion of the Parish also, I need one."

newb kid: "Ok, but only as a set. I think I have to anyways since I want that Bonfire. It's a lot, but it's gone down, right?"

liar: "Yeah, you okay with SCG? (checks phone) Bonfire's gone down to about $40. So Rofellos is around 10 and the Champions are $4-5. So pick out something else. I'll give you a deal if you pick something out of this page. (shows crap page with EDH junk)"

newb kid: "Ok, man Bonfire used to be liked $50! How about Restoration Angel?"

liar: "That's not small. Something else? (hands over a box of bulk rares)"

newb kid: "Don't find anything there, but Gisela? I need that one."

liar: "Okay. We good? Cool."

The trade involved a few more money cards (all of them ending up in the liar's side of the trade) but Bonfire and Rofellos were the ones that stood out.

Afterwards, the kid wanted to trade with me. He asked me what guide I used for prices. I told him that I don't use a guide, I just trade if I want to. If I'm willing to trade what's in my pile for your pile, then I'm cool, don't bother looking up the price of every card because it's probably not going to work. Then he got suspicious as if I was going to rip him. I knew that I made a mistake and that he was one of those who follow guides blindly.

He insisted that we used prices and a guide. And asked me if I used SCG? I said, "Did you use SCG on that trade you just made with that guy? And how are you going to look up SCG since you don't have a smart-phone? I don't have a smart-phone either."

I then pointed out to him that if he is so insistant on using SCG, Bonfire isn't $40 and that it's $25. I told him that the other guy just straight lied to him on using a guide and that he's been ripped off if all he's going to do is use guides. In the middle of pulling out my cards, he stops and says we can't trade anymore. He's pretty angry and upset.

Later, after the Tues. night draft, I apologized for any hard feelings. I told him that if he's upset it's okay, I pointed out that he got ripped and if think it's rude or I stepped out of place, I apologized. But I asked him again on the value of Bonfire and since he has no phone how does he know it's $40 and the guys no lying?

Then the kid stood up for the guy who ripped him, saying that he trusts him. I was like, what?!?! You trust a dude who just ripped you? Okay, help yourself, man.

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Originally posted by choco man:
This happened at LGS tonight

liar: "I want your Rofellos. You looking to trade your Champion of the Parish also, I need one."

newb kid: "Ok, but only as a set. I think I have to anyways since I want that Bonfire. It's a lot, but it's gone down, right?"

liar: "Yeah, you okay with SCG? (checks phone) Bonfire's gone down to about $40. So Rofellos is around 10 and the Champions are $4-5. So pick out something else. I'll give you a deal if you pick something out of this page. (shows crap page with EDH junk)"

newb kid: "Ok, man Bonfire used to be liked $50! How about Restoration Angel?"

liar: "That's not small. Something else? (hands over a box of bulk rares)"

newb kid: "Don't find anything there, but Gisela? I need that one."

liar: "Okay. We good? Cool."

The trade involved a few more money cards (all of them ending up in the liar's side of the trade) but Bonfire and Rofellos were the ones that stood out.

Afterwards, the kid wanted to trade with me. He asked me what guide I used for prices. I told him that I don't use a guide, I just trade if I want to. If I'm willing to trade what's in my pile for your pile, then I'm cool, don't bother looking up the price of every card because it's probably not going to work. Then he got suspicious as if I was going to rip him. I knew that I made a mistake and that he was one of those who follow guides blindly.

He insisted that we used prices and a guide. And asked me if I used SCG? I said, "Did you use SCG on that trade you just made with that guy? And how are you going to look up SCG since you don't have a smart-phone? I don't have a smart-phone either."

I then pointed out to him that if he is so insistant on using SCG, Bonfire isn't $40 and that it's $25. I told him that the other guy just straight lied to him on using a guide and that he's been ripped off if all he's going to do is use guides. In the middle of pulling out my cards, he stops and says we can't trade anymore. He's pretty angry and upset.

Later, after the Tues. night draft, I apologized for any hard feelings. I told him that if he's upset it's okay, I pointed out that he got ripped and if think it's rude or I stepped out of place, I apologized. But I asked him again on the value of Bonfire and since he has no phone how does he know it's $40 and the guys no lying?

Then the kid stood up for the guy who ripped him, saying that he trusts him. I was like, what?!?! You trust a dude who just ripped you? Okay, help yourself, man.

It's like telling a girl who gets beat by her boyfriend. "You got to leave that bum." And she gets mad at you because you called her boyfriend a bum.

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WoW....so you don't use a guide and are a ripper, but guy who did and lied isn't? Umm....I'm kind of speechless....

I make an offer for cards the guy has listd as "high priority"....it's even $10 in his favor according to the website he wants to use to determine value. Not like small stuff either, a bunch of $15-20 cards for a bunch of $15-20 cards on his side. Some more some less but it's not like trading a bunch of $1 rares for a $30 rare.

Anyway, I get the message back...."No way man, I'm not trading down for stuff I don't need".

1.I didn't know cards from Innistrad block(some from his side) and Avacyn Restored were considered "vintage". Meanwhile most of my cards were from the same blocks....but he's "trading down"....

2.Don't put cards on your "high priority" list if they aren't "high priortiy".

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Originally posted by daner:
Once again I'm suprised by the sheer stupidty of traders on this website.

I make an offer for cards the guy has listd as "high priority"....it's even $10 in his favor according to the website he wants to use to determine value. Not like small stuff either, a bunch of $15-20 cards for a bunch of $15-20 cards on his side. Some more some less but it's not like trading a bunch of $1 rares for a $30 rare.

Anyway, I get the message back...."No way man, I'm not trading down for stuff I don't need".

1.I didn't know cards from Innistrad block(some from his side) and Avacyn Restored were considered "vintage". Meanwhile most of my cards were from the same blocks....but he's "trading down"....

2.Don't put cards on your "high priority" list if they aren't "high priortiy".

Man....I wish I was a mod just for one day...only to go through the h/w list and literally ban anyone that is screwing with the trade matcher with this bs. It's frustrating beyond words.

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Originally posted by AGO:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by daner:
Once again I'm suprised by the sheer stupidty of traders on this website.

I make an offer for cards the guy has listd as "high priority"....it's even $10 in his favor according to the website he wants to use to determine value. Not like small stuff either, a bunch of $15-20 cards for a bunch of $15-20 cards on his side. Some more some less but it's not like trading a bunch of $1 rares for a $30 rare.

Anyway, I get the message back...."No way man, I'm not trading down for stuff I don't need".

1.I didn't know cards from Innistrad block(some from his side) and Avacyn Restored were considered "vintage". Meanwhile most of my cards were from the same blocks....but he's "trading down"....

2.Don't put cards on your "high priority" list if they aren't "high priortiy".

Man....I wish I was a mod just for one day...only to go through the h/w list and literally ban anyone that is screwing with the trade matcher with this bs. It's frustrating beyond words.

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This. Even with transaction costs (time, post cost, et al), it's still much easier to buy and sell than trade. I haven't traded much since 2005 here.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/222

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I was reading this article

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/222

And saw that both Jund decks run 2 copies of Inquisition of Kozilek and 3 copies of thoughtseize. It seems to me that thoughtseize is better so why not run 4 and 1? Is this just to avoid getting screwed over as badly by things like cranial extraction that remove all copies of a card from your deck?

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I was reading this article

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/td/222

And saw that both Jund decks run 2 copies of Inquisition of Kozilek and 3 copies of thoughtseize. It seems to me that thoughtseize is better so why not run 4 and 1? Is this just to avoid getting screwed over as badly by things like cranial extraction that remove all copies of a card from your deck?

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i think there was a time when they played 3 inquisition and 2 thoughtseize, but theyve switched it for life loss reasons and thoughtseize helps versus things like RG tron

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Most of the time, Inquisition will hit what Thoughtseize would have hit without the life loss.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
There's the problem. When I read it I thought thoughtseize made THEM lose life.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/097102.html

Awesome first post.

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Pretty sweet lowball

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Originally posted by Thanos:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/097102.html

Awesome first post.

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http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/097104.html#1

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/097104.html#1

Awesome second post

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The best part:

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Originally posted by ThreeKingsLoot:
- Payment is made when we receive and verify the condition of the cards, no exceptions.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Even Troll and Toad paid first until they were established here.

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They paid pretty darn good too!

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Even Troll and Toad paid first until they were established here.

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This, silly new people thinking they are special.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Even Troll and Toad paid first until they were established here.

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People probably tell them "Dude, you should totally sign up at this site called MOTL, people sell cards super cheap there!".