I think folks on this site are starting to get too hung up on Legacy staple prices.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Is it just me or is every "Did i do good on this trade" turn into a Well Card X in Pile B is a Standard card so it will go down so take the Legacy staples in Pile A.

I think folks on this site are starting to get too hung up on Legacy staple prices.

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Given the amount of trading I do nowadays, the only way I'm trading Legacy for Standard is if:

- I'm picking something up to speculate
- I'm getting a hefty premium

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Is it just me or is every "Did i do good on this trade" turn into a Well Card X in Pile B is a Standard card so it will go down so take the Legacy staples in Pile A.

I think folks on this site are starting to get too hung up on Legacy staple prices.

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I agree

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Why do people buy my overpriced promos on ebay but not my overpriced P3K rares? How odd.

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Because PK3 Rares are bad for everything except EDH.

I've got some friends who want PK3 stuff (English) So send me a list and I can pass it along.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
Given the amount of trading I do nowadays, the only way I'm trading Legacy for Standard is if:

- I'm picking something up to speculate
- I'm getting a hefty premium

Otherwise, the person is free to do the legwork of selling the cards, and picking stuff up from me later.

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This might be a byproduct of the fact that T2 has gotten a lot more expensive than it used to be. Cards very rarely used to be more than $20. Then again, so has legacy. People get too hung up on the value of cards anyway. You should ask if it's a fair price for you based on objective criteria. Not whether it's a fair price based on exact matching of arbitrary values from a price guide or SCG or something. How much is it worth it to the Legacy player to have to worry about the guaranteed devaluation of T2 cards that he doesn't have to worry about with Legacy cards? That's the "premium" he should ask for. This is tempered by the fact that the T2 player can simply refuse to trade and go through the trouble of selling the T2 cards to buy the legacy cards. Which has transactional costs.

People get too hung up on absolute numerical values. What you want to do is roughly match up the prices using an objective guide like the MOTL guide. Don't use a store because store prices represent what they want for it, not what they get for it. Otherwise foil 8E Mahamoti would be $8 like it is in my old shop, still unsold from the 8E release event.

After that, mentally add/subtract however much you value any further effort you will have to expend to get what you want from this stuff. If this results in a price that is too high for other guy, either you walk away or you guys work out the details.

The problem is that people often overvalue this and aren't willing to budge on it. On the other hand, the T2 player is often insulted at anything more than 1:1 for numerical value. It's pretty easy to figure out how much give you have in a given situation. Minimum acceptable sale price on ebay or equivalent, minus fees, considering risk of item getting lost in mail and the time lag required, and considering the maximum acceptable buy price anywhere plus shipping.

It's not that hard, guys.

There's too much whining on here about impossible deals. If traders don't have a zone of acceptable deals then their best alternative to a negotiated agreement is to not trade. Easy. People often take such outlandish positions that even after all the problems with selling cards it's still a better deal to do so.

Another example is the heat I get whenever I complain about the fact that people demand I pay for registered for *any* purchase or take all the risk of whether the seller actually even mails the item and whether it gets lost in the mail.

So for a $20 card, the real price to me is $35 or $22 with huge risks. On the other hand, I can buy the same card for $24 on ebay with complete risk minimization because ebay rules override anything in the item description saying that the seller isn't responsible for lost mail. For me, an additional $2 is absolutely worth it for the additional consideration of minimal risk. Thus for people like me acting fully rational that means that there should never be any deal made where I must pay for registered provided there is a cheaper alternative.

tl;dr If the deal is impossible just don't do it. Go buy your stuff elsewhere. Problem solved.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/096719.html

Every offer this guy makes is a joke...

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It's a store. They probably heard that there's "leet deals" on this site.

Next: Re BTAs: Can we please have something somewhere telling people in Europe that no, many countries including Canada do NOT provide any proof of sending? Many people seem to be labouring under some sort of misconception that they do.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people play Flagstones of Trokair in modern soul sisters?

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people play Flagstones of Trokair in modern soul sisters?

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people play Flagstones of Trokair in modern soul sisters?

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Originally posted by FleeceItOut:
I can't really comprehend this either. I'd rather play Windbrisk Heights or nothing.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people play Flagstones of Trokair in modern soul sisters?

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Markers posted and asked but to no avail...

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Is it just me or is every "Did i do good on this trade" turn into a Well Card X in Pile B is a Standard card so it will go down so take the Legacy staples in Pile A.

I think folks on this site are starting to get too hung up on Legacy staple prices.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
It's the principles of value trading taken to an extreme, or in these cases knee-jerk "take the old stuff" mentality.

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Or it's the "I don't want to lose 75% of my values in 9ish months later" mentality.

Seriously, people who has Legacy cards will have Standard cards for the *most* part, so why the heck do we want to take a risk and trade for something that is known to will go down in price?

And stop saying "oh, but you can flip it quickly and make profit". Well, not all of the people who have Legacy can do that. Real life does take over sometimes and people may not actively deal in Magic for a little bit and lose out of that opportunity for profit. And it's still work to turn that unrealized profit into realized profit.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Or it's the "I don't want to lose 75% of my values in 9ish months later" mentality.

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~9 months....sometimes it only takes 1 week for standard cards to tank.
3 abrupt decay and 2 lotleth troll for taiga and intuition, a trade that's already bad and then goes to crap in a week!

I bought a BIN on ebay for some cards, but it seems they were just repacks, and I don't want the repacks. I thought I was going to get teh card shown on the image there.

anyway, I'm going to try and talk to the seller first and let him know, there was a mistake and if he could return my money.

anyone with experience on how to deal with this type of situation>? HELP

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Originally posted by Myy:
Question:

I bought a BIN on ebay for some cards, but it seems they were just repacks, and I don't want the repacks. I thought I was going to get teh card shown on the image there.

anyway, I'm going to try and talk to the seller first and let him know, there was a mistake and if he could return my money.

anyone with experience on how to deal with this type of situation>? HELP

~Myy

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If it's your first time, just don't pay. Seller will file nonpaying bidder to get his fees back. You'll get a strike against your account, but one or two won't hurt you.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Or it's the "I don't want to lose 75% of my values in 9ish months later" mentality.

Seriously, people who has Legacy cards will have Standard cards for the *most* part, so why the heck do we want to take a risk and trade for something that is known to will go down in price?

And stop saying "oh, but you can flip it quickly and make profit". Well, not all of the people who have Legacy can do that. Real life does take over sometimes and people may not actively deal in Magic for a little bit and lose out of that opportunity for profit. And it's still work to turn that unrealized profit into realized profit.

Now, I just tell people 2 things if they want to trade their Standard for my high-end Legacy:
1) Better to sell your Standard stuff and buy Legacy cards
2) Better to deal with dealers than with me since I can't move cards that quickly

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
So why trade then, ever? Your personal experiences do not represent the sum total of mtg trading practices. As someone said in a recent "pile A or B" thread, the MOTL userbase is heavily skewed towards legacy and modern staples, while most local trading scenes skew towards standard staples. Having a long term view when trading isn't what bugs me - its the complete disregard for current value when it comes to MOTL and standard staples. Thragtusk could literally put 32 copies in a SCG top 8 and there would STILL be MOTL members refusing to value it higher than a Mox Opal. It's idiocy, plain and simple.

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People trading for standard cards to play standard should realize that is the cost of playing the format, which is your cards depreciating in tons of value when they rotate(with the possibility of gaining more value over time).

There is good value in trading for standard because there is a bigger quantity of traders for them.

Just my thoughts.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Thragtusk could literally put 32 copies in a SCG top 8 and there would STILL be MOTL members refusing to value it higher than a Mox Opal. It's idiocy, plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
So why trade then, ever? Your personal experiences do not represent the sum total of mtg trading practices. As someone said in a recent "pile A or B" thread, the MOTL userbase is heavily skewed towards legacy and modern staples, while most local trading scenes skew towards standard staples. Having a long term view when trading isn't what bugs me - its the complete disregard for current value when it comes to MOTL and standard staples. Thragtusk could literally put 32 copies in a SCG top 8 and there would STILL be MOTL members refusing to value it higher than a Mox Opal. It's idiocy, plain and simple.

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I don't know if you catch the part about "high-end Legacy" on my post. I only mentioned those 2 points to people when they want stuff like Sea, Karakas and Cradle.

Also, why can't people like us trade? As long as it's Standard for Standard, then I'm good. Or high-end Standard for low-to-mid-end Modern, then I'm also good. I apologize if I didn't make this point clearer in my original post.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
I cannot get Librarities to approve my account, is there anyone with an inside edge here that could help me out?

Markers posted and asked but to no avail...

Same user name as here btw.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:

And I think it is EXTREMELY arrogant of you to say that trading is not done on a personal level. I would argue that trading is ENTIRELY done on a personal level. Different cards have different uses and meanings to different people, so they have different values. Price guides are called "guides" for a reason.

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Huh? Making trades personal is a terrible trading practice. That's like the golden rule of trading - there's always other people to trade with. I never have a problem walking away from a trader that can't reach a reasonable value for his stuff or my stuff. Trading on MOTL makes it even easier, since everyone's stuff is already "on the table", so to speak.