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Originally posted by Volcanon:
If it's your first time, just don't pay. Seller will file nonpaying bidder to get his fees back. You'll get a strike against your account, but one or two won't hurt you.

If you're already paid, you're probably boned, though you could always claim, once you got your homelands commons, that it never came.

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Yeah, i payed because my paypal is tied to my ebay account.

I already sent the seller a message saying that i though he was selling deathrite shamans not repacks. And if he could please cancel the transaction. If he says no, then what other options do i have?

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Huh? Making trades personal is a terrible trading practice. That's like the golden rule of trading - there's always other people to trade with. I never have a problem walking away from a trader that can't reach a reasonable value for his stuff or my stuff. Trading on MOTL makes it even easier, since everyone's stuff is already "on the table", so to speak.

I've already commented on the misguided legacy worship that goes on in the MOTL community, but even then it's not that big of a deal. Idiots are going to be idiots, regardless of how much logic hits them in the face.

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I agree with the most of what you're saying, there are always others to trade with and if you can't find a deal you like move on to the next person. But I will say removing your personal feelings from trading is just as much of a hassle as someone following a guide to the T.

I don't see a problem with trading a card worth X for yours worth Y if that card is something I want/need. I'm not saying I don't use guides, because I do. I know the prices of most of the cards I'm looking for and have, but guides don't stop me from trading either.

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Originally posted by Myy:
Yeah, i payed because my paypal is tied to my ebay account.

I already sent the seller a message saying that i though he was selling deathrite shamans not repacks. And if he could please cancel the transaction. If he says no, then what other options do i have?

Anyone with useful info is very much appreciated.

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http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005324.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005311.html

I can't believe people think this way.

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Originally posted by Myy:
he said he'd just refund me my money because I bought the item by mistake. what a nice guy. =)

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Free positive feedback is free, right?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Another couple classic "Well i'm right even if the evidence says I'm wrong"

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005324.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005311.html

I can't believe people think this way.

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That's Free Will for you, people will believe they are right no matter what.

Hell there is a sect that believes the world is actually flat, and this whole round business is a conspiracy created by the US to brainwash people.

That alone should show that some people are just, hopeless.

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Originally posted by Myy:
he said he'd just refund me my money because I bought the item by mistake. what a nice guy. =)

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Originally posted by Myy:
he said he'd just refund me my money because I bought the item by mistake. what a nice guy. =)

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Another couple classic "Well i'm right even if the evidence says I'm wrong"

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005324.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005311.html

I can't believe people think this way.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
actually repack sellers are typically deceiving intentionally and often receive negative feedback because of this. The seller likely wanted to avoid well deserved negative feedback. Repacks are obviously just a scam to move junk.

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Of course. The image in the BIN was of a deathrite shaman. and the title topic was "MTG Return to Ravnica *Rare Repack* Deathrite Shaman 1:6 Guaranteed!" so all i read was the bolded parts pretty much.

I'm still glad I didn't lose my money on 1 deathrite shaman and 5 search the city

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Pippencro's thread is the best one. Apparently he's backing down from the "I'm keeping my money, MOTL be damned" ultimatum, but I hope he realizes that his actions are now out in the public. I would never even consider a trade with a guy that would try that hard to weasel out of a liability waiver.

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Both of those threads are awful. Just give the frickin' money back and laugh about it over a beer. I had the same sort of guy rip me of some now very expensive cards in exactly the same way Pippen is trying to do now. It's odd that people just assume that cheapo mail gives proof of sending. It doesn't.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Another couple classic "Well i'm right even if the evidence says I'm wrong"

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005324.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005311.html

I can't believe people think this way.

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It is far easier to make baseless accusations and insist that you're being cheated than to admit that you made a stupid decision and it bit you in the ass.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
actually repack sellers are typically deceiving intentionally and often receive negative feedback because of this. The seller likely wanted to avoid well deserved negative feedback. Repacks are obviously just a scam to move junk.

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But slinga sells repacks on motl....

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Huh? Making trades personal is a terrible trading practice. That's like the golden rule of trading - there's always other people to trade with. I never have a problem walking away from a trader that can't reach a reasonable value for his stuff or my stuff. Trading on MOTL makes it even easier, since everyone's stuff is already "on the table", so to speak.

I've already commented on the misguided legacy worship that goes on in the MOTL community, but even then it's not that big of a deal. Idiots are going to be idiots, regardless of how much logic hits them in the face.

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If anything, that just reinforced my point even more. Because trading is so personal, if you don't agree with what Trader A think, you can go to Trader B, who think more like you.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/223b

Just for cube though!

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
If anything, that just reinforced my point even more. Because trading is so personal, if you don't agree with what Trader A think, you can go to Trader B, who think more like you.

And yes, I'm such an idiot for looking long-term to protect my card value

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You go for card value, I go for playability. And to provide some perspective, I have the card pool for roughly any legacy deck I wish to play, same goes for modern and standard. Standard is the format for roughly 75% of any high-REL event in my area - why the **** would I focus all my time and effort on making sure my trades "retain long-term value" when I need to make sure I actually have the correct deck for the 891273428975 standard events in any given year? Especially when I can flip the standard cards I used AT THE SAME EXACT EVENT. using the excuse that you can't convert hot standard staples into less-volatile commodities is a lazy excuse, nothing more.

It costs me 1.35 to send cards to the states.

How much does the post office gouge you guys down there to mail some trading cards!?

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Originally posted by mattw:
For the record, I really dislike americans that only want to trade within the US because sending to canada is too expensive.

It costs me 1.35 to send cards to the states.

How much does the post office gouge you guys down there to mail some trading cards!?

I actually sent a bubble mailer to nicholas biron this week with a tamiyo and jace 4.0 in it. Costed me.... A buck thirty five! Canada post may be slow but apparently you can't beat those prices.

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without tracking, yea, maybe $2. However, have you SEEN the bta boards lately? cards getting lost left right and center. I will NOT be sending twice, to US, Canada, Europe, dont care. No tracking = No deal.

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Originally posted by mattw:
How much does the post office gouge you guys down there to mail some trading cards!?

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Originally posted by mattw:
For the record, I really dislike americans that only want to trade within the US because sending to canada is too expensive.

It costs me 1.35 to send cards to the states.

How much does the post office gouge you guys down there to mail some trading cards!?

I actually sent a bubble mailer to nicholas biron this week with a tamiyo and jace 4.0 in it. Costed me.... A buck thirty five! Canada post may be slow but apparently you can't beat those prices.

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I'm in America and I've traded with you before.

The actual costs without tracking are very affordable. But I don't think most traders want to risk it without tracking.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
You go for card value, I go for playability

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Have to go soon, so I can only respond to this part for now. This right here just strengthen my point even further: trading is on a personal level. It all depends on what you want/need versus what you have, what you want to play, what your local scene is like, what sentimental value do you have for certain cards, etc...

I'm not saying you are not correct in your term of thinking that Standard for Legacy is not always bad for the Legacy players. It certainly is not bad for people in your situation. But in mine, and I suspect other people that have Legacy stuff, we already have all the Standard stuff as well. Has there been a time where I traded even value (even if I'm trading away high-end Legacy) for Standard? Yes, I did several times. 2 weeks prior to an event and on-site. Personal preferences can shift too depend on the situation.

One last thing I want to say is as traders and players, we need to understand the other person's perspective and/or be up front about what we want. That's why I tell people to sell Standard/buy Legacy or deal with vendors instead of trying to get my high-end Legacy stuff from me.

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