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Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Am I the only one out there left that knows what Desert - Campfire means?

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Originally posted by stizkidz:
Wasn't there some misprint Desert that looked like a campfire in the background?

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correct! I have 2 of those but whenever I try to explain this to someone nobody seems to know this fact.

On the far dune a small light spot is clearly visible, one could imagine nomads where making a fire there, hence 'Campfire'.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Sigh... just got through dealing with a trader (with more refs than me, mind you) that was trying to convince me that because ebay BINs have ZEN lands at $1 each, that's their real value, despite the fact that CFB is selling them at .50 each, and SCG is selling them at .66 each. This guy also tried to argue that because some idiot purchased a BIN of a playset of talismans of dominance for $6, then that's the established value. You would think after so many trades they would know better than to push the value on bulk items...

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The number of refs doesn't state someones intelligence, sadly..

If I "cancel" the trade and shoot them an email stating so, what the time limit they can come back and finally reply to me by posting me in the BTA for "backing out"?

There are some rules on the BTA forum that you should read. You can open a BTA against somebody who was supposed to send first and never did. http://classic.magictraders.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getannounce&ForumNumber=4&Start=2455552.99&End=2459215&Session=2456275.1459

I run into some problems that really annoy me and I was wondering if anybody knows a sleeve that solves all of these.

1) The color/art on the back of the sleeve is actually a separate layer of plastic that will fray at the corners and then peel off.
2) The sleeves get dirty and start sticking to each other. I suppose this is inevitable, but some kinds are definitely worse here.
3) The color/metallic paint on the back of the sleeve rubs off over time.

Overall I think the Japanese sleeves have been the best experience up-front, but they tend to get sticky much faster than the other types and are only average at splitting.

My recent ultra-pro's with the magic backing were great until the back art layer started peeling on a couple of sleeves. I was pretty sad when that started happening after only a few weeks of play.

Long-term the sleeves I have been happiest with are my metallic ultra pro. They look dirty as all hell, and the metallic paint is slowly coming off, and I could never use them in a tournament because they look marked when they're old and are too reflective when they are new, but they still shuffle smoothly, almost as well as the day I bought them years ago.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Sleeve opinion time! I've been through lots of different sleeves over the years: plain "penny sleeves", fancy Japanese ones that are about 1/4" longer than the cards, color-backed ultra pro, metallic ultra pro, and recently ultra pro with the magic card-back on the back of the sleeve.

I run into some problems that really annoy me and I was wondering if anybody knows a sleeve that solves all of these.

1) The color/art on the back of the sleeve is actually a separate layer of plastic that will fray at the corners and then peel off.
2) The sleeves get dirty and start sticking to each other. I suppose this is inevitable, but some kinds are definitely worse here.
3) The color/metallic paint on the back of the sleeve rubs off over time.

Overall I think the Japanese sleeves have been the best experience up-front, but they tend to get sticky much faster than the other types and are only average at splitting.

My recent ultra-pro's with the magic backing were great until the back art layer started peeling on a couple of sleeves. I was pretty sad when that started happening after only a few weeks of play.

Long-term the sleeves I have been happiest with are my metallic ultra pro. They look dirty as all hell, and the metallic paint is slowly coming off, and I could never use them in a tournament because they look marked when they're old and are too reflective when they are new, but they still shuffle smoothly, almost as well as the day I bought them years ago.

I've been considering clear ultra pro sleeves for my next experiment primarily because they should be free of any art/color layer that might peel off. I imagine they might not be as resistant to dirt because they lack the metallic texturing, but I'm willing to try. Does anybody have experience with those or can recommend something else?

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Sigh... just got through dealing with a trader (with more refs than me, mind you) that was trying to convince me that because ebay BINs have ZEN lands at $1 each, that's their real value, despite the fact that CFB is selling them at .50 each, and SCG is selling them at .66 each. This guy also tried to argue that because some idiot purchased a BIN of a playset of talismans of dominance for $6, then that's the established value. You would think after so many trades they would know better than to push the value on bulk items...

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or they do and just want to try and get extra value.....though to be fair some regions DO have Zen Lands at 1.00/ea, and they sell them out faster then they can buy them even if they buy them for more then SCG sells them for...

Talismans are not really bulk but 6? are they foil? 0_o

I could see 2-3 for a playset, but not 6!

It's been said before. If you're just playing casually/fnm, the sleeve doesnt really matter. Anything bigger than that (PTQ/GP) buy new sleeves before the event. Every Time.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I run into some problems that really annoy me and I was wondering if anybody knows a sleeve that solves all of these.

1) The color/art on the back of the sleeve is actually a separate layer of plastic that will fray at the corners and then peel off.
2) The sleeves get dirty and start sticking to each other. I suppose this is inevitable, but some kinds are definitely worse here.
3) The color/metallic paint on the back of the sleeve rubs off over time.

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stop buying terrible sleeves then. Just buy the ultrapro with a matte finish on the back, not necessarily the matte pro. The matte pro just have a matte front to reduce glare and make foils look terrible. The only issue i have w/ newer ultapro is that they do seem to split more than they used to, especially if you double sleeve. They don't really show wear on the back, usually the first sign you'll notice is where the corners get folded from shuffling. After quite a few months the tops of the sleeves get a bit wavy. I'd also make sure to avoid the random colors as a lot are see through. I know the white, orange, and red are see through. I believe blue and purple are opaque. I just stick w/ black:

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
or they do and just want to try and get extra value.....though to be fair some regions DO have Zen Lands at 1.00/ea, and they sell them out faster then they can buy them even if they buy them for more then SCG sells them for...

Talismans are not really bulk but 6? are they foil? 0_o

I could see 2-3 for a playset, but not 6!

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I agree with the ultra-pro matte. Excellent sleeves with very few problems albeit the corners do get bent rather easily.

For longevity I would have to mention dragon shield. the sleeves rarely break, a bit of riffling removes stickiness, and they shuffle well. I also find the corners don't really bend. I've been using the 'pinks' for 3 years and have replaced one sleeve. They do get dirty though, and I don't care for the colors much though, as they are rather bland. but the sleeves themselves are great.

If you want some durable sleeves for a cube/casual, where they last for a long time and aren't going to be deck-checked, I have used Dragonshields for the last 4 years for my cube.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Speaking of sleeves, I'm looking to resleeve my Vintage deck. and Do a double sleeve thing with penny sleeves. Any Recommendations for really good sleeves to double sleeve with, for longevity and protection.

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dont use any old penny sleeve. KMC Perfect Fits. actual 'penny sleeves' are too big to fit inside another without bunching up.

beyond that, again, Ultra Pro Matte (i prefer black).

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I don't really buy the regional argument(

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You may not, doesn't mean thousands of people don't hold to it, right or wrong, it is what it is. *Shrugs*

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
You may not, doesn't mean thousands of people don't hold to it, right or wrong, it is what it is. *Shrugs*

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SO MANY LGSs especially in smaller towns hold to it. I used to live in a city where the nearest game shop besides the one in that city was about a 4 hour drive away. And they overcharged for -everything- to the point where I never made a single purchase of any kind from them.

Apparently it was to combat bent sleeve corners but now I find that the cards only just barely fit in and leaves the top of the card that much closer to the opening for grime and what not. Double sleeving with perfect fits is harder too of course.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
I used to use Ultra-Pro Matte sleeves but if I remember correctly they recently resized their sleeves to be snugger. They're 1mm shorter in each direction (65x90 instead of 66x91).

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This must be fairly recent. I bought a case of matte black ones off ebay, came to about $2/pack of 50, about 9 months ago. Size listed right on the package : 67.03mm X 92.07mm.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
SO MANY LGSs especially in smaller towns hold to it. I used to live in a city where the nearest game shop besides the one in that city was about a 4 hour drive away. And they overcharged for -everything- to the point where I never made a single purchase of any kind from them.

In the internet age, your physical location is completely irrelevant in terms of pricing your physical objects unless you are literally located up in the frozen tundra of the arctic, and anything from outside is hand delivered in a contracted plane as the only way to get things to you.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
I used to use Ultra-Pro Matte sleeves but if I remember correctly they recently resized their sleeves to be snugger. They're 1mm shorter in each direction (65x90 instead of 66x91).

Apparently it was to combat bent sleeve corners but now I find that the cards only just barely fit in and leaves the top of the card that much closer to the opening for grime and what not. Double sleeving with perfect fits is harder too of course.

KMC has become my go to now. When I get around to resleeving the cube that's what I'll use.

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