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Originally posted by Liq:
How does Prismatic Omen interact (if at all) with Blood Moon?

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Basic lands you control would become 'Plains Mountain Island Swamp Forests' but would still be basic lands, so Blood Moon won't do anything to them.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Nonbasic Lands, as I understand the layering, would have the effects applied in timestamp order, and either be turned into Plains Mountain Island Swamp Forests, and then into Mountains, or in the reverse order. They'd still be nonbasic lands.

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This looks correct to me, here are the applicable rules.

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613. Interaction of Continuous Effects
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613.1d Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object's card type, subtype, and/or supertype.
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613.6. Within a layer or sublayer, determining which order effects are applied in is usually done using a timestamp system. An effect with an earlier timestamp is applied before an effect with a later timestamp.

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If blood moon was in play first then your nonbasic lands are "Land - Plains Mountain Island Swamp Forest", if blood moon was in play second then your nonbasic lands are "Land - Mountain". In either case they can only tap for the appropriate colored mana of the basic lands types it has, because the blood moon effect removes all other abilities.

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305.7. If an effect sets a land's subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text and its old land types, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type. Note that this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other effects. Setting a land's subtype doesn't add or remove any card types (such as creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow) the land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land types and mana abilities.

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Are the Capsule effects (Courier's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Dispeller's Capsule) activated abilities in that they may be copied with Rings of Brighthearth? I say 'yes', my friends say 'we want a second opinion'.

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Originally posted by keywacat:
Ciao all;

Are the Capsule effects (Courier's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Dispeller's Capsule) activated abilities in that they may be copied with Rings of Brighthearth? I say 'yes', my friends say 'we want a second opinion'.

Cheers for the second opinion;
keywacat

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of course they are. they have a cost, and an effect. that's an activated ability. pay 2 to copy it.

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
I play undying evil on a critter with echo on the upkeep echo checks, does it echo echo?

It gets undying during upkeep. I dont pay. it sacs. it comes back in with a +1/+1 during my upkeep. does the NEXT upkeep check it and kill it if i dont pay?

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Echo [cost] - "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this permanent came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay [cost]."

because it changed zones after the beginning of your last upkeep, you have to pay echo.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Can I cast chain of smog targetting myself, then copy it targetting myself, and so on, indefinately and then get infinite storm for the win?

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Cavern of Souls Land

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As Cavern of Souls enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.:
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1.) i drop cavern of soul naming it spirit..,when i cast
Obzedat, Ghost Council..since
Obzedat, Ghost Council is a spirit advisor creature type..the question is this...IS
Obzedat, Ghost Council be countered..?

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When Obzedat, Ghost Council enters the battlefield, target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life:
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2.) [b]my opponent has 2 life left and he has WORSHIP and IVORY MASK with Invisible stalker in play..when i cast Obzedat, Ghost Council..

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Originally posted by Encantadian:

Question About Cavern of Souls Land and Obzedat, Ghost Council.

Cavern of Souls Land

2.) my opponent has 2 life left and he has WORSHIP and IVORY MASK with Invisible stalker in play..when i cast Obzedat, Ghost Council..

can i target my opponent to lose 2 life even if he has ivory mask " which he can't be target by spell or abilities" and worship in play which says all his life is down to 1.with Invisible stalker in play.?

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Let me reframe these and see if that's what you meant:

You have Cavern of Souls in play, Spirit is the creature type chosen.

You cast Obzedat, using W or B from Cavern. He cannot be countered.

He comes into play. Your opponent has Ivory Mask, Worship, and Invisible Stalker in play. Ivory Mask means that you cannot target him, so he can't lose 2 life.

If he did not HAVE Ivory Mask out, you could target him, and he would die, since worship ONLY stops damage, not lifeloss.

Player 1 casts Living death and there are no responses etc.
Creatures come in.
Player 2 has several along with a Massacre Wurm.
player 3 has 12(mostly 1-4 toughness) come in, 4 with graft, a Quicksilver Gargantuan and a Master Biomancer
Player 4 has several come in, one of which is Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite.

Player 5(me) just bashes his head off the table and gets a beer to help get past the arguing about to ensue.

We would like to know if Player 3 can (A)Copy the Master Biomancer with the Quicksilver Gargantuan and (B)move his graft counters to the original Master Biomancer to give his creatures counters to keep them alive through Elesh Norn's -2-2 and to the Massacre Wurms -2-2.

We went in turn order for creatures returning to play and reverse order for effects happening.

Please, HELP!

1) clone type effects can only choose creatures that are already in play as it is a replacement effect and the choice is made before anything hits play. This would be possible with something like Sigarda preventing the sacrifice. Master Biomancer also falls into this category as well and will not effect creatures entering play (hes a replacement, not a trigger).

614.1c. Effects that read “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” “As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,” or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . ” are replacement effects
614.1d. Continuous effects that read “[This permanent] enters the battlefield . . .” or “[Objects] enter the battlefield . . .” are replacement effects.

2) Elesh will kill anything with a toughness of 2 or less before triggers (such as graft) ever get placed on the stack.

3) Put triggers on the stack starting w/ the active player and go in turn order. This requires choices to properly be made about what an ability should target, you don't run into people switching their choices based on others' choices if this is done properly as targets get locked in when stuff goes to the stack, then you resolve it once all the triggers are on the stack.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
Let me reframe these and see if that's what you meant:

You have Cavern of Souls in play, Spirit is the creature type chosen.

You cast Obzedat, using W or B from Cavern. He cannot be countered.

He comes into play. Your opponent has Ivory Mask, Worship, and Invisible Stalker in play. Ivory Mask means that you cannot target him, so he can't lose 2 life.

If he did not HAVE Ivory Mask out, you could target him, and he would die, since worship ONLY stops damage, not lifeloss.

Hope that answers your question. Your Obzedat can't be countered, but his ivory mask doesn't counter him, it just keeps obzedat from being able to target the opponent, which will result in his ability having no legal targets.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
2) Elesh will kill anything with a toughness of 2 or less before triggers (such as graft) ever get placed on the stack.

3) Put triggers on the stack starting w/ the active player and go in turn order. This requires choices to properly be made about what an ability should target, you don't run into people switching their choices based on others' choices if this is done properly as targets get locked in when stuff goes to the stack, then you resolve it once all the triggers are on the stack.

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These are actually switched. Triggers are put on the stack first then state based actions (dying to 0 toughness) are checked before the active player would receive priority.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
These are actually switched. Triggers are put on the stack first then state based actions (dying to 0 toughness) are checked before the active player would receive priority.

Elesh Norn will kill everything before triggers resolve but they are still activated.

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Originally posted by Leeroy:
Triggered abilities are not put on stack before state-based actions are checked (704.3).

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Indeed, I was incorrect on that part.

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Originally posted by Encantadian:

thanks walkerdog now i know it answer me well.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Is fatestitcher equiped with illusionist's bracers infinite mana or a nombo? Basically, can you target the fatestitcher with the copy or not? thanks in advance

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Fatestitcher can't target himself; the copied ability has all the same restrictions as the original.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Fatestitcher can't target himself; the copied ability has all the same restrictions as the original.

Aphetto Alchemist can though ;-)

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Is fatestitcher equiped with illusionist's bracers infinite mana or a nombo? Basically, can you target the fatestitcher with the copy or not? thanks in advance

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Could do it with a second fatestitcher though.

[quote] -15: Exile all other permanents.:
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if i use gideon's 3rd ability by exiling all permanents so,the questions is this.. are all permanents in play and in graveyard be exiled including gideon himself or just simply gideon:Champ of Justice Left in play.?

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Originally posted by Encantadian:

OUESTION ABOUT GIDEON'S:CHAMP.OF JUSTICE ULTIMATE..

[quote] -15: Exile all other permanents.:

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if i use gideon's 3rd ability by exiling all permanents so,the questions is this.. are all permanents in play and in graveyard be exiled including gideon himself or just simply gideon:Champ of Justice Left in play.?

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'permanents' are only cards in play. graveyards, cards in hand, exiled cards, etc stay right where they are. gideon would be the ONLY thing left in play.

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