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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
So I read that Goblin Electromancer can reduce overload costs. Is the same true then for flashback costs?

~MM

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Originally posted by thror:
You can counter any -non mana- activated or triggered ability.

Activated abilities are mostly written "Cost : Effect"
The colon is a big tell. Planeswalker abilities are also activated abilites.

Triggered abilities almost always start with "When, Whenever, At". Such as bitterblossom, soul warden, oblivion ring, etc.

Instants and sorceries, as a general rule, do neither of these. They are generally effects of permanents.

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Originally posted by pugowar:
So when you say "non-mana abilities" that just means abilities that create mana right? Not abilities that require mana?

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Correct. Llanowar elf has a mana ability. "T : Add G"
Rules section 605

Only abilities that meet either of the following two sets of criteria are mana abilities, regardless of what other effects they may generate.

605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets three criteria: it doesn't have a target, it could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves, and it's not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities.")

605.1b A triggered ability without a target that triggers from activating a mana ability and could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves is a mana ability.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If I activate a keyrune making it a creature, then make it a 5/5 with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, what happens at end of turn when the keyrune stops being a creature?

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Lets just say you have an Azorius Keyrune. You activate it, and now it's a 2/2 flying, white+blue artifact creature, bird. Then, tezz it. All tezz does is make it into a 5/5. So now you have a 5/5 blue+white flying bird artifact creature. At EOT, the keyrune effect ends, but tezz doesnt. So it stops being a bird, doesnt have flying, and isnt blue or white. But it's still a 5/5, and it still has both the keyrune abilities. If you activate it again, it will become a 2/2 blue+white flying bird again. when that wears off, it will revert to a 5/5 keyrune.

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Thundermaw hellkite (dragon)
deal one damage to each creature with flying your opponents control. Tap those creatures

Baneslayer angel
flying. protection from demons and DRAGONS

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Originally posted by netdeckftw25:
Would thundermaw hellkite be able to tap down a baneslayer angel despite the protection?

Thundermaw hellkite (dragon)
deal one damage to each creature with flying your opponents control. Tap those creatures

Baneslayer angel
flying. protection from demons and DRAGONS

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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=253700

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Nope. Even though Thundermaw doesn't target, it's still dealing damage (and protection from a source prevents damage from that source), and the tap effect is contingent on the banesalyer taking damage.

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Thundemaw Hellkite doesn't care if the damage is dealt. Compare the wording to that on aggravate which does care if the creature is damaged.

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Originally posted by clanceystorm:
Yo,
My opponent has Angelic Arbiter and Avatar of Slaughter in play. Am I right in thinking I can play a spell during my First Main Phase, and then not have to attack because of the Angels ability ?

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
That's fine, but is the proper time to cast something to kill the Angel when the ETB trigger is on the stack and after they choose the targets, if I don't want the LTB trigger to put anything in anyone's hand?

I basically don't want to get the timing wrong. It's unlikely that someone's going to cast an Angel choosing my creatures on the board, but if someone does that, I want to wait until the creatures are actually exiled and the LTB effect would put them into my hand before killing the Angel. If they choose their own creatures I want to kill the Angel before the LTB effect would put any of the creatures into my opponent's hand.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
If I cast living death with 3 Kokusho the evening star in my graveyard, do all 3 die to legend rule or just 2?

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all 3.

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.

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Originally posted by thror:
all 3.

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.

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I need confirmation on whether or not planeswalkers take damage for the purpose of cards such as 'Sword of Give and Take'.

As I understand it when a planeswalker is attacked 'damage' is not dealt, rather loyalty counters are removed, meaning the Sword's triggered ability does not trigger.

Is this correct?

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Originally posted by Devonin:
306.8. Damage dealt to a planeswalker results in that many loyalty counters being removed from it.

Damage is dealt. The effect of damage being dealt is the removal of loyalty counters.

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Originally posted by keywacat:
Ok, I wasn't clear and you didn't see it...the key part is that damage has to be dealt to a player to trigger a Sword, yeah? Planeswalkers don't count.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Yeah, also "sword of give and take" is as far as I know, not a thing, so I only answered the question you asked, which was whether damage is dealt to planeswalkers.

If you'd said "Does damage dealt to planeswalkers count as damage to players" I'd have just said "no"

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if a 2/2 comes in, does it get 1 counters or 2? It says power or toughness. It meets both.

I'm guessing just 1 counter, but wanted to be sure.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Fathom Mage has evolve and is a 1/1.

if a 2/2 comes in, does it get 1 counters or 2? It says power or toughness. It meets both.

I'm guessing just 1 counter, but wanted to be sure.

~MM

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1 Counter, yhou are correcgt. It's just saying if a 5/1, or a 1/5 comes into play, you get your counter.

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Search your library for three creature cards and reveal them. If you reveal three cards with different names, choose one of them at random and put that card into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.

Buddy says he gets to see the random. I said no I just reveal 3 different creature cards he doesn't get to see what I got.

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Originally posted by stinkinogre:
okay so Signal the Clans

Search your library for three creature cards and reveal them. If you reveal three cards with different names, choose one of them at random and put that card into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.

Buddy says he gets to see the random. I said no I just reveal 3 different creature cards he doesn't get to see what I got.

Who is right?

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