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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, Part 53--Post ALL Your Rules Questions Here
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted March 30, 2013 06:50 PM
Quick question about Augur of Bolas. If I don't reveal an instant or sorcery, do I still have to put the cards on the bottom of my library, or do them back on top?
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shwin Member
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posted March 30, 2013 07:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Quick question about Augur of Bolas. If I don't reveal an instant or sorcery, do I still have to put the cards on the bottom of my library, or do them back on top?
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted March 30, 2013 10:41 PM
If the 1 damage dealt by Olivia Voldaren's first ability is prevented, does she still get the +1/+1 counter?
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 31, 2013 12:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: If the 1 damage dealt by Olivia Voldaren's first ability is prevented, does she still get the +1/+1 counter?
Yes, she still gets the counter there's no "if" clause that it depends on.
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Encantadian Member
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posted April 02, 2013 06:48 PM
QUESTION's Regarding Aurelia's Fury?
quote: Aurelia's Fury deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures and/or players. Tap each creature dealt damage this way. Players dealt damage this way can't cast non-creature spells this turn.: [/b]
here's the Situation..
My opponent Cast Tamiyo, the Moon Sage during his turn.before Tamiyo,the Moon Sage enters the battle field.i cast my Aurelia's Fury PAYING 5 mana 1 to his 1/1 token spirit and 2 direct damages to him before it enters the battle field..
[b]THE QUESTION ARE THESE.. 1)is Tamiyo,the Moon Sage put it on the graveyard or in his hands back? 2)Can he cast Tamiyo,the Moon Sage even if he hits 2 direct damaged by Aurelia's Fury? 3) Can he Cast an "Outwits" to counter my Aurelia's Fury?even if he hit 2 direct damaged to Aurelia's Fury?
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Pail42 Member
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posted April 02, 2013 08:51 PM
"Casting" a spell means you pay the cost and put it on the stack. Spells "resolve" if they are not countered. Aurelia's Fury only prevents "casting" it doesn't affect anything that has already been cast and is waiting to resolve.Tamiyo is put into play. The spell has already been cast, so Aurellia's Fury doesn't affect it. After the damage has been dealt he wouldn't be able to cast a second Tamiyo because it is a "Planeswalker" spell. He would be able to cast outwit before Aurelia's Fury resolves, he would then take no damage.
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ectomanic Member
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posted April 03, 2013 07:41 PM
Looking into the modern vigor deck and got 1 question from ready a few topics on it. Question is how do I give more then 1 titan haste with slayer's stronghold? Multiple topics have given the impression I could do it. Am I able to tap it coming into play giving 1 titan haste then have vigor untap it so I can do again? Or do I need 2 vigors in play and at least a land drop left to tap twice the bouncland coming in at same time tap then bounce stronghold lay again and tap again?Edit: basically asking does amulet trigger for everything entering play thus allowing me to tap stronghold with trigger on stack to untap for use again?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by ectomanic on April 04, 2013]
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orcishartillery Member
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posted April 04, 2013 06:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by ectomanic: Looking into the modern vigor deck and got 1 question from ready a few topics on it. Question is how do I give more then 1 titan haste with slayer's stronghold? Multiple topics have given the impression I could do it. Am I able to tap it coming into play giving 1 titan haste then have vigor untap it so I can do again? Or do I need 2 vigors in play and at least a land drop left to tap twice the bouncland coming in at same time tap then bounce stronghold lay again and tap again?Edit: basically asking does amulet trigger for everything entering play thus allowing me to tap stronghold with trigger on stack to untap for use again?
Amulet of Vigor only triggers for permanents that enter the battlefield tapped. It will not allow you to activate Slayer's Stronghold an extra time.
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thror Member
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posted April 04, 2013 10:18 AM
@ above:Not quite true. IF the slayers stronghold comes into play via Primeval Titan (which is generally how it goes), you DO get to untap it, once for each amulet of vigor. 2 Amulets in play Cast titan get stronghold and boros garrison, both etb tapped, both amulets trigger for each land, bounceland trigger. resolve 1 amulet trigger for each land, then use garrison to activate stronghold. let that resolve, then let the 2nd set of amulet triggers resolve, untapping them both again. activate again. then finally let the bounceland trigger resolve, returning it to your hand. You now have 2 hasted creatures, plus boros garrison in hand. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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DarKLava Member
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posted April 05, 2013 05:10 AM
Can you stifle first strike or deathtouch?
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Randomnist Member
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posted April 05, 2013 05:54 AM
No, First Strike and Deathtouch are not triggered or activated abilities, and therefore cannot be affected by Stifle.
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rockondon Member
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posted April 05, 2013 01:13 PM
my opponent has humility in play. I have blasting station and kitchen finks. If I sack kitchen finks to the blasting station, does its persist ability trigger when it hits the graveyard? And if so, does it re-enter the battlefield with a -1 counter on it? And if so, can I respond to that trigger by sacking it to the station? In short...is this an infinite combo? __________________ My ebay auctions: (p3k recruiter, retainers, & overwhelming forces. Strands, deltas, jace tms, metalworkers, minds eyes, restoration angels, altered crucible, mirror universe, fbb nevy disk).
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thror Member
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posted April 05, 2013 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by rockondon: my opponent has humility in play. I have blasting station and kitchen finks. If I sack kitchen finks to the blasting station, does its persist ability trigger when it hits the graveyard? And if so, does it re-enter the battlefield with a -1 counter on it? And if so, can I respond to that trigger by sacking it to the station? In short...is this an infinite combo?
no. it doesnt have persist. humility took that away. and even if it did, it would etb as a 1/1 with a -1/-1 counter, and immediately be put into your graveyard. you cant respond to persist 'putting the -1/-1 counter on'. it just etb's with a counter, and then state based action see a 1/1 with a -1/-1 counter, and it gets put into your graveyard. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on April 05, 2013]
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rockondon Member
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posted April 06, 2013 12:12 PM
Ok. I thought persist might have been an ability of the card when it hits the graveyard. Apparently it isn't, thanks for your help. __________________ My ebay auctions: (p3k recruiter, retainers, & overwhelming forces. Strands, deltas, jace tms, metalworkers, minds eyes, restoration angels, altered crucible, mirror universe, fbb nevy disk).
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted April 07, 2013 10:05 PM
How does sunforger work with the new Fuse ability on cards like Wear//Tear? Do we get to cast both sides for free with sunforger? Edit: nevermind, reading is tech.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Skwirlnutz on April 07, 2013]
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orcishartillery Member
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posted April 08, 2013 08:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by thror: @ above:Not quite true. IF the slayers stronghold comes into play via Primeval Titan (which is generally how it goes), you DO get to untap it, once for each amulet of vigor.
Oops, thank you! I overlooked the effect from the Titan.
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted April 08, 2013 09:45 PM
So how does this new Master of Cruelties work with Kaalia? There is a lot of back and forth on Sally about it saying it works while some say it does. I'm not a judge, but I am a Kaalia player and this seems a little strong.
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thror Member
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posted April 08, 2013 09:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: So how does this new Master of Cruelties work with Kaalia? There is a lot of back and forth on Sally about it saying it works while some say it does. I'm not a judge, but I am a Kaalia player and this seems a little strong.
i dont see any way for these 2 cards to interact. explain? http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=338444 kaalia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141134&d=1365480205 cruelties __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted April 08, 2013 10:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror: i dont see any way for these 2 cards to interact. explain?http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=338444 kaalia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141134&d=1365480205 cruelties
The part where Master hits after Kaalia drops him, does the ability check and trigger even though Kaalia cheated him in? Does it instantly kill someone do to his ability and Kaalia connecting for damage? Here's the thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=275668&page=697 Another thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=502255
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Skwirlnutz on April 08, 2013]
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thror Member
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posted April 08, 2013 10:16 PM
9/22/2011 The creature card is already tapped and attacking as it's put onto the battlefield. Any abilities that trigger when a creature becomes tapped or when a creature attacks won't trigger for that card.makes me believe 'no'. but i could be wrong. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Skwirlnutz Member
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posted April 08, 2013 10:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror: 9/22/2011 The creature card is already tapped and attacking as it's put onto the battlefield. Any abilities that trigger when a creature becomes tapped or when a creature attacks won't trigger for that card.makes me believe 'no'. but i could be wrong.
Exactly but this card isn't checking if it attacked, it's checking if it was blocked and that's what's confusing.
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TomB999 Member
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posted April 09, 2013 07:56 AM
If Standstill is in play and a player cast a spell, do you have to sacrifice it or is it your choice? The text does say "If you do"
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walkerdog Member
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posted April 09, 2013 08:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by TomB999: If Standstill is in play and a player cast a spell, do you have to sacrifice it or is it your choice? The text does say "If you do"
You have to sac it. The if you do is so that it only actually draws 3 cards for opponents one time, not triggering the draw part for every spell I put on the stack that triggers Standstill.
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Pail42 Member
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posted April 09, 2013 08:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: Exactly but this card isn't checking if it attacked, it's checking if it was blocked and that's what's confusing.
"508.1c The active player checks each creature he or she controls to see whether it's affected by any restrictions (effects that say a creature can't attack, or that it can't attack unless some condition is met). If any restrictions are being disobeyed, the declaration of attackers is illegal. Example: A player controls two creatures, each with a restriction that states "[This creature] can't attack alone." It's legal to declare both as attackers. ... 509.4g An ability that reads "Whenever [this creature] attacks and isn't blocked, . . ." triggers if no creatures are declared as blockers for that creature. It won't trigger if the attacking creature is blocked and then all its blockers are removed from combat. 509.5. Fifth, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. ... 510. Combat Damage Step " The "can only attack alone" part only applies to attackers being declared (508.1c), so this is a valid creature to put in with Kaalia. The life total change would trigger after blockers are declared (509.4g) and resolve before combat damage is dealt (509.5), so Kaalia or any other additional attackers would be able to hit for lethal damage (510).
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keywacat Member
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posted April 10, 2013 09:19 AM
Ciao everybody;As I understand it one is only able to pay a 'kicker' cost when casting a spell, not when using an ability to cheat it into play with, say, Kaalia. Is this incorrect?
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