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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, Part 53--Post ALL Your Rules Questions Here
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shwin
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posted January 31, 2013 05:56 AM
         
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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
This one has me confused, if I have Harvester of Souls and somebody Wraths do I still draw a card for each critter dying, even though harvester dies too?
Yes
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Pail42
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posted January 31, 2013 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by orcishartillery:
This is not quite correct. When an ability triggers, it is not put on the stack immediately, but rather when a player would receive priority.1. The creatures deal damage, and creature A's ability triggers.
2. State-based actions occur; creature B dies, and its ability triggers.
3. Both triggered abilities are put on the stack at the same time, starting with those controlled by the active player. In this particular situation, the outcome is as you said - creature B's death trigger resolves first - but because creature A's controller is the active player, not because creature A's ability triggers first.
I'm surprised I haven't run into that one before. Thanks for the knowledge. quote:
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities he or she controls on the stack in any order he or she chooses. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
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ryan2754
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posted January 31, 2013 05:11 PM
If I donate a creature with Zedruu, and play Insurrection, what happens at end of turn?__________________
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southparker2002
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posted February 02, 2013 04:35 AM
I have a nonzero number of creatures, a Melira, and a Cauldron of Souls out. A Wrath effect is played and I tap my Cauldron to give all my creatures persist. Do they all come back with -1/-1 counters, or does Melira's ability not "kick in" beforehand?
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Devonin
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posted February 03, 2013 10:59 AM
By gaining persist, they come into play with the counters already on them. They don't come into play, and then have them placed.They will all hit, including Melira, with -1/-1 counters on, at which time Melira won't allow any more to be added. If you'd found a way to give her indestructible, so she was still kicking around when everything else came back, you'd be okay.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on February 03, 2013]
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keywacat
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posted February 03, 2013 12:00 PM
I have Angelic Overseer flying over several human knights, and then comes the Wrath of God. Will the Angelic Overseer survive?Cheers for the answer.
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Pail42
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posted February 03, 2013 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Devonin:
If you'd found a way to give her indestructible, so she was still kicking around when everything else came back, you'd be okay.
Persist is a triggered ability. Each creature would come back one-at-time so it would be easy to bring back Melira first.
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southparker2002
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posted February 03, 2013 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by keywacat:
I have Angelic Overseer flying over several human knights, and then comes the Wrath of God. Will the Angelic Overseer survive?Cheers for the answer.
Yes. In the words of Gloria Gaynor"I.....I will survive. Oh, as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give And I'll survive, I will survive, hey, hey"
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keywacat
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posted February 03, 2013 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by southparker2002:
Yes. In the words of Gloria Gaynor"I.....I will survive. Oh, as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give And I'll survive, I will survive, hey, hey"
Ok, glad she won't end up like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVseBfMq_Dc  Cheers;
keywacat
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ryan2754
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posted February 04, 2013 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by ryan2754:
If I donate a creature with Zedruu, and play Insurrection, what happens at end of turn?
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Pail42
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posted February 04, 2013 08:42 PM
I believe they all return to their previous controllers' control, regardless of who actually owns each creature
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frankenskid
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posted February 05, 2013 08:52 AM
Yes skwirl, as the harvester would "see" itself and all the other creatures going to the graveyard at the same time.
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frankenskid
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posted February 05, 2013 08:55 AM
Yes ryan, the donation ability of zedru changes the controller for the purposes of returning control. If it said owner's control it might be different.... but since it doesn't specify, they get it back..... now zedru and brand however.........
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mcelraca
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posted February 05, 2013 01:10 PM
This may have been asked but i have a quick simple question.
Does extort change the color identity of cards to include white/black?
Therefore, I can't have a creature with extort in a BR edh deck?
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frankenskid
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posted February 05, 2013 01:16 PM
Correct, the color identity is any mana symbols on the card.
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caquaa
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posted February 05, 2013 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by mcelraca:
Does extort change the color identity of cards to include white/black?Therefore, I can't have a creature with extort in a BR edh deck?
this actually came up on another thread. Blind Obedience can be played in a mono white deck, etc http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15321 you'll have to thank iccarus for this one.
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achaye
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posted February 07, 2013 09:41 PM
If there's no creature in the battlefield and a player plays Exhume, what happens if one of the chosen creatures to bring back is a Faceless Butcher? The ability reads "When Faceless Butcher enters the battlefield, exile target creature other than Faceless Butcher." Does the controller get to exile a creature, or is there no target to exile just yet because ALL the creatures come back simultaneously?
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Pail42
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posted February 07, 2013 09:53 PM
The controller will get to exile a creature. Targets are not chosen until all the creatures are back in play.
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thror
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posted February 07, 2013 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by achaye:
If there's no creature in the battlefield and a player plays Exhume, what happens if one of the chosen creatures to bring back is a Faceless Butcher? The ability reads "When Faceless Butcher enters the battlefield, exile target creature other than Faceless Butcher." Does the controller get to exile a creature, or is there no target to exile just yet because ALL the creatures come back simultaneously?
the trigger doesnt even go onto the stack until exhume is done. at this point, all exhumed creatures are on the battlefield, and are fair game for Butchers' target. __________________
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achaye
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posted February 07, 2013 10:13 PM
Ahh, that makes sense now. Thanks thror!
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frankenskid
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posted February 08, 2013 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
this actually came up on another thread. Blind Obedience can be played in a mono white deck, etchttp://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15321 you'll have to thank iccarus for this one.
Nice catch caquaa.
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MeddlingMage
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posted February 08, 2013 07:49 PM
Question on Clan Defiance.If a pay x=3 (plus the r and g of course) and choose, I can use 1, 2, or all 3 parts of the card? Like pay 3 only one time, and have the 3 legal targets take 3 each? ~MM __________________
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Devonin
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posted February 08, 2013 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Question on Clan Defiance.If a pay x=3 (plus the r and g of course) and choose, I can use 1, 2, or all 3 parts of the card? Like pay 3 only one time, and have the 3 legal targets take 3 each? ~MM
Yes. You say "I cast Clan Defiance, with X=3, choosing the following" and can then choose 1, 2 or all 3 options where legal targets exist that you want to target. And for CMC5 you'll hit a flier, nonflier and player for 3
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rockondon
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posted February 11, 2013 08:18 AM
I have mikaeus, the unhallowed in play.
I cast diabolic servitude to put creature 'A' into play.
Later on, creature 'A' dies.
Can I put creature 'A' back on the battlefield with a counter on it and return diabolic servitude to my hand?
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orcishartillery
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posted February 11, 2013 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by rockondon:
I have mikaeus, the unhallowed in play.
I cast diabolic servitude to put creature 'A' into play.
Later on, creature 'A' dies.
Can I put creature 'A' back on the battlefield with a counter on it and return diabolic servitude to my hand?
Yes, if you stack the triggered abilities so that the Undying ability resolves before Diabolic Servitude's ability.
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