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Pail42
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quote:
Originally posted by mulder:
My opponent has a Sneak Attack and uses it to put an Emrakul into play. I have a Humility in play.
Does his 1/1 have haste?
Does he have to sac it end of turn?
Will he have to shuffle the Emrakul back in his deck?

He will have to sacrifice it. The sacrifice is a delayed trigger created by sneak attack, not an ability of the creature. Humility doesn't affect it.

The creature will have haste. Abilities are added and removed in the same layer and are applied in timestamp order. See section 613.

Emrakul will be shuffled in. I'm not sure why the rules work this way but check out the rulings on Dread, which has an identical ability. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=140168

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 09, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Emrakul will be shuffled in. I'm not sure why the rules work this way but check out the rulings on Dread, which has an identical ability.

The reason is actually simple. See the difference in wording:

Dies:
A creature "dies" if it is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.

versus Emrakul:
When Emrakul is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.

The first one triggers only when a creature leaves battlefield and goes to the graveyard, thus it triggers "from the battlefield" and is affected by cards like Humility.

The latter doesn't care from which zone the card goes to the graveyard, and thus triggers "from the graveyard", which is why it is not affected by cards that affect the permanents on the battlefield.

 
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When does your mana pool empty? Specifically, I feel like it used to float through different steps of the combat phase, but in a game online today, it did not.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by edsillars:
When does your mana pool empty? Specifically, I feel like it used to float through different steps of the combat phase, but in a game online today, it did not.

this changed way back in M10, when combat damage no longer stacked. mana pools now empty at the end of each STEP. so you can float mana from your upkeep to your draw step, or all the way through combat anymore.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on March 10, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:

if i use gideon's 3rd ability by exiling all permanents so,the questions is this.. are all permanents in play and in graveyard be exiled including gideon himself or just simply gideon:Champ of Justice Left in play.?


'permanents' are only cards in play. graveyards, cards in hand, exiled cards, etc stay right where they are. gideon would be the ONLY thing left in play.

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i see thoror thanks anyway thanks for a vivid and simple explanation.also thanks to yakusoku now i know...

 
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Do Rakdos charm and Sudden Shock insta-win when Kiki-pod is going off? They make infinite guys, you cast one of these before they attack, you win?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
Do Rakdos charm and Sudden Shock insta-win when Kiki-pod is going off? They make infinite guys, you cast one of these before they attack, you win?

You can't make "infinite guys". You have to choose a number. I like like seventy-billion.

Sudden Shock deals 2 damage. You'd only insta-win if your opponent is at two life.

If you played Rakdos Charm against me it would deal 70,000,000,000 damage. That's usually a winner, but it's possible that they could do something in response to sacrifice the creatures or prevent the damage.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 11, 2013]

 
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I Need Clarification about Soulbond..


my Buddy and I had some argument about a soulbond..

here's the scenario:

during his 3rd turn he play first a BIRDS OF PARADISE.then he cast LIGHTNING MAULER soulbond with birds of paradise to make it haste an make his birds of paradise haste and he use activated mana abilities of birds of paradise to produce a Green mana to cast another BIRDS OF PARADISE..in responds i kill his BIRDS of PARADISE Using SEARING SPEAR..he float for GREEN mana to cast another BIRDS...

here's the argument...since he has no longer have a birds of paradise soulbond with lightning mauler during lightning mauler was cast..AFTER HE CAST A SECOND BIRDS OF PARADISE HE SOULBOND AGAIN FOR LIGHTNING MAULER FOR THE SECOND TIME...the question is this..Is this legal can we re-soulbond to another creature even he didn't cast a creature without a soulbond ability...

can this be applied by this rule 702.92e:

quote:
702.92e A paired creature becomes unpaired if any of the following occur: another player gains control of it or the creature it's paired with; it or the creature it's paired with stops being a creature; or it or the creature it's paired with leaves the battlefield.

* Two paired creatures are still individual creatures in every way: they attack and block individually, they are targeted and affected by spells or abilities individually, and they change zones individually. If two paired creatures are attacking, blocking one of them has no effect on the other, for example.

* Neither soulbond ability targets any creature.

* You must control another unpaired creature at the moment a creature with soulbond enters the battlefield or the soulbond ability won't trigger at all. However, the creature that pairs with the creature with soulbond isn't chosen until the soulbond ability resolves.:
[b][/b]


 
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quote:
Comprehensive Rules:

702.93a. Soulbond is a keyword that represents two triggered abilities. "Soulbond" means "When this creature enters the battlefield, if you control both this creature and another creature and both are unpaired, you may pair this creature with another unpaired creature you control for as long as both remain creatures on the battlefield under your control" and
"Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, if you control both that creature and this one and both are unpaired, you may pair that creature with this creature for as long as both remain creatures on the battlefield under your control."

If you control an unpaired creature with Soulbond and cast another creature, you may pair that newly cast creature with the creature with Soulbond.

The scenario you outlined shouldn't happen, though.

You CANNOT respond to him tapping Birds of Paradise with any spell or ability. It is a mana ability and does not use the stack. By the time either player gets priority to play a spell or ability, he already has G in his mana pool.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:
If you control an unpaired creature with Soulbond and cast another creature, you may pair that newly cast creature with the creature with Soulbond.

The scenario you outlined shouldn't happen, though.

You CANNOT respond to him tapping Birds of Paradise with any spell or ability. It is a mana ability and does not use the stack. By the time either player gets priority to play a spell or ability, he already has G in his mana pool.



I see thanks for the quick answer yakusoku..i know it well

here's what i understand for your replies..


*creature in play with soulbond abilities(lightning mauler) can paired when you cast a creature with or without soulbond ability( BIRDS OF PARADISE).they can be paired by a soulbond ability.

(example:he can soulbond his (2nd)Birds of paradise for the second time with lightning mauler on play with soulbond abilities)..


*that's correct i can't respond to a BIRDS of paradise's mana ability.i forgot no stacking ability in magic now.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Encantadian:

*that's correct i can't respond to a BIRDS of paradise's mana ability.i forgot no stacking ability in magic now.

You have never been able to respond to a creature tapping for mana.

It wouldn't do anything even if you could respond, as abilities will resolve independently of their source if you destroy it in response.

 
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Can you use Somberwald Sage's ability to pay for a creature's echo cost?
 
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Echo is not casting a creature spell, it's a cost you have to pay the turn after you cast the spell or else sacrifice it, you cannot use Somberwald Sage to pay for it.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:
You have never been able to respond to a creature tapping for mana.

Other then say Deathrite Shaman which you can respond too.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Other then say Deathrite Shaman which you can respond too.

He clearly meant mana abilities.

quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:
You CANNOT respond to him tapping Birds of Paradise with any spell or ability. It is a mana ability and does not use the stack.

Deathrite Shaman is quite unfortunate, as the ability is not a mana ability, even though it produces mana... Can't count the number of times I had to explan why.

 
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how does extort work in a two headed giant game?

Extort reads:

Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay White or Black. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.


~Myy

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Leeroy:
He clearly meant mana abilities.

Deathrite Shaman is quite unfortunate, as the ability is not a mana ability, even though it produces mana... Can't count the number of times I had to explan why.


"It is an activated ability that can produce mana, not a mana ability"

Isn't that basically it?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
how does extort work in a two headed giant game?

Extort reads:

Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay White or Black. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.


~Myy


Each opponent means just that. If you are playing a 4 player, multi-player game, as explained to us during the pre release, it will trigger once for each opponent. In that case, they would each lose 1 life and you would gain 3.

~MM

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quote:
Originally posted by walkerdog:
"It is an activated ability that can produce mana, not a mana ability"

Isn't that basically it?


That's the end result, but to explain "why" you have to look up the rules. What everybody learns when they first hear about mana abilities is "A mana ability is any ability that adds mana".

quote:

605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets three criteria: it doesn't have a target, it could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves, and it's not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities.")

605.1b A triggered ability without a target that triggers from activating a mana ability and could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves is a mana ability.


Burning-Tree Emissary's ability is also not a mana ability because it's not triggered off a mana ability.

IMHO Cards like Deathrite Shaman and Burning-Tree Emissary should have reminder text that they are not mana abilities or they should change the rules to be simpler and go back to the 5E style of writing "This is a mana ability" in the rules text.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 26, 2013]

 
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If my opponent activates Helm of Obedience with a Rest in Peace in play, and I have a Gaea's Blessing in my library, what happens?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by VJames83:
If my opponent activates Helm of Obedience with a Rest in Peace in play, and I have a Gaea's Blessing in my library, what happens?

rest in peace reads "If a card or token would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead."

The IF means this is a replacement effect.

Gaeas blessing reads "When Gaea's Blessing is put into your graveyard from your library, shuffle your graveyard into your library."

The WHEN meant it is a triggered effect. because rest in peace replaces 'going to the graveyard' with 'exile it', blessing never hits the graveyard, and never triggers.

End result, your library is gone.

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Each opponent means just that. If you are playing a 4 player, multi-player game, as explained to us during the pre release, it will trigger once for each opponent. In that case, they would each lose 1 life and you would gain 3.

~MM


so even though in two headed giant, we share life points, it doesn't matter? imagine 2 two headed giant teams, (4 people) 1 person uses extort, so he would gain 2 life and the other team would lose 2 life?

if that is true, than that ability if super broken, lol specially in multiples.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
so even though in two headed giant, we share life points, it doesn't matter? imagine 2 two headed giant teams, (4 people) 1 person uses extort, so he would gain 2 life and the other team would lose 2 life?

if that is true, than that ability if super broken, lol specially in multiples.


You are each a separate opponent.

 
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So I had a quick question for you guys. I combo I was thinking of will the +1/+1 counters stick it goes like this

Ezuri activate overrun x2 with Master Biomancer on the field --> Blink Momir with Deadeye Navigator --> Master Biomancer's ability triggers. So would the 6 +1/+1 counters stick since momir re-entered the battlefield making him an 8/8


Just Curious
-Revane

 
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Originally posted by Revane:
So I had a quick question for you guys. I combo I was thinking of will the +1/+1 counters stick it goes like this

Ezuri activate overrun x2 with Master Biomancer on the field --> Blink Momir with Deadeye Navigator --> Master Biomancer's ability triggers. So would the 6 +1/+1 counters stick since momir re-entered the battlefield making him an 8/8


Just Curious
-Revane


yes.

 

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