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Originally posted by theqissilent:
If I have two 2/2 creatures enter the battlefield at the same time, and I have a 1/1 with evolve, will the evolve creature get 1 or 2 counters?

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If someone plays a foreign card, and I ask them what it does, and they lie or are simply incorrect, what happens if the error later becomes relevant and known? I assumed it would be misrepresenting cards.

In section 4.1
"Players must answer all questions asked of them by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the
type of information requested. Players may request to do so away from the match.
• Players may not represent derived or free information incorrectly."

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Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
The other thread got me interested.

If someone plays a foreign card, and I ask them what it does, and they lie or are simply incorrect, what happens if the error later becomes relevant and known? I assumed it would be misrepresenting cards.

Thanks.

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Comprehensive Rules:

306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead. This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied.

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Damage from a non-creature permanent certainly counts as noncombat damage, and as such you may have it deal that damage to a planeswalker that player controls instead.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:

They get a warning, and possibly a game loss or match loss for misrepresenting the game state. However, a judge should be able to quickly provide you oracle wording for any card; don't rely on the opponent!

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Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
No, my goal is to get game losses for people who intentionally try to confuse opponents with all foreign cards. I don't think I'd ever do it, I was just curious.

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Umm, you may be able to, but that's going to be up to the judge. If he feels you're baiting an opponent into something that they allow to be misrepresented, you may be eating a warning or something too. Very similar to seeing an opponent have the wrong life total, "letting" them use that total for a couple turns, then calling the judge saying "He has the wrong life total and lied to me about it... 3 turns ago."

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Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
No, my goal is to get game losses for people who intentionally try to confuse opponents with all foreign cards. I don't think I'd ever do it, I was just curious.

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It depends on the type of thing they are trying to do.

For example,

1. If it's foreign and you can't tell whether it's a Sorcery/Instant or a Enchantment and they lie about that.

2. If it's foreign and you can't tell whether or not it's got first strike and they tell you it does thus changing your combat math.

3. If it's a foreign Dark Confidant and they don't subtract life.

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Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
The other thread got me interested.

If someone plays a foreign card, and I ask them what it does, and they lie or are simply incorrect, what happens if the error later becomes relevant and known? I assumed it would be misrepresenting cards.

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3.7. Tournament Error — Player Communication Violation

Definition
A player violates the Player Communication policy. An intentional violation, or attempting to take advantage of a previously committed violation, is defined as Cheating — Fraud.

Example
A. A player is asked how many cards he has in his hand and answers “Three.” A few moments later, he realizes that he has four.
B. A player claims she hasn’t played her land for the turn, but it is determined that she had and forgot.

Philosophy
Clear communication is essential in the playing of any DCI-sanctioned game. Though many offenses will be intentional, it is possible for a player to make a genuine mistake and, while unfortunate, these should not be penalized harshly. This infraction only applies to violations of the Player Communication policy, not general communication confusion. The rules governing player communication are laid out in section 4.1 of the Magic Tournament Rules and can be summarized as:
• Players must answer all questions asked of them by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the type of information requested. Players may request to do so away from the match.
• Players may not represent derived or free information incorrectly.
• Players must answer completely and honestly any specific questions pertaining to free information.

I play Dream Leash (Enchantment Aura) on opponent's creature and "gain control of tapped target permanent".
A few turns later, opponent plays 'Disenchant' on Dream Leash.

Who controls the creature?

The closest to an answer I could find was in a forum stating that the person who played a card that transfers control of the creature retains control of the creature. Opponent logically says that my control of the creature is based on Dream Leash and once it leaves the battlefield, control of the creature returns to opponent.

Thank you!!!

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Originally posted by dbour:
Thank you so much for clarifying. I think I made it too complicated by researching it, that made sense. Thanks again!

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am I making this **** up?

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All creatures have "At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy this creature unless you pay {1}."

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destroy?

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:

am I making this up?

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nope, that's how it is on the gatherer.

I know that's not how upkeep's generally work on creatures (eg Masticore), but the original text on Tabernacle uses "destroy" just how the newest oracle text does.

Edit: You can also regenerate from this effect. Though that would probably cost more than 1, and it would tap the creature, leaving it basically useless.
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
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so indestructible critters a exempt?

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Originally posted by ardeay:
Question: I play vision charm to turn mountains into forests on an opponents upkeep. Can they tap the mountains for red mana in response?

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
We should not be asking or answering questions about unreleased cards. Not everybody follows spoilers.

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