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achaye
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If an opponent plays Gatekeeper of Malakir, paying the kicker cost, and targets me to sacrifice a creature, can I counter Gatekeeper by playing Dawn Charm's 3rd option (counter target spell that targets you)?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by achaye:
If an opponent plays Gatekeeper of Malakir, paying the kicker cost, and targets me to sacrifice a creature, can I counter Gatekeeper by playing Dawn Charm's 3rd option (counter target spell that targets you)?

"When Gatekeeper of Malakir enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, target player sacrifices a creature."

Gatekeeper doesnt target when it is cast. it has to resolve, and then the ability triggers. dawn charm doesnt work.

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When casting Deranged Hermit with Sigil Captain already in play, do the squirrels come into play with +1/+1 counters? The tokens themselves are 1/1 creatures, but I'm not sure if the +1/+1 from Deranged Hermit makes the squirrels 2/2s and therefore ineligible for Sigil Captain to boost.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by psrex:
When casting Deranged Hermit with Sigil Captain already in play, do the squirrels come into play with +1/+1 counters? The tokens themselves are 1/1 creatures, but I'm not sure if the +1/+1 from Deranged Hermit makes the squirrels 2/2s and therefore ineligible for Sigil Captain to boost.


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5/1/2009 Sigil Captain's ability has an "intervening 'if' clause." That means (1) the ability won't trigger at all unless the creature that enters the battlefield under your control is 1/1, and (2

 
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So if I have Infernal Darkness in play, can I use Hex Parasite to remove the age counters with the "must pay" cumulative upkeep ability on the stack, thus making me not have to ever pay the cumulative upkeep?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
So if I have Infernal Darkness in play, can I use Hex Parasite to remove the age counters with the "must pay" cumulative upkeep ability on the stack, thus making me not have to ever pay the cumulative upkeep?

"(At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)"

This is all one triggered ability, so you add a counter, then pay 1+B or sac it. at no time between can you remove this counter. However, you can keep using hex parasite to take these counters off AFTER, keeping your upkeep cost to 1+B.

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If I have a Pandemonium or Warstorm Surge in play, then play Moltensteel Dragon, can I put the enchantment trigger on the stack, pay a bunch of life into the dragon's firebreathing ability, and one-shot someone from the damage off the enchantment?

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quote:
Originally posted by evilempire22:
If I have a Pandemonium or Warstorm Surge in play, then play Moltensteel Dragon, can I put the enchantment trigger on the stack, pay a bunch of life into the dragon's firebreathing ability, and one-shot someone from the damage off the enchantment?

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No. By time you can activate Moltensteel's ability, it is already on the battlefield, and it has triggered the mentioned enchantments for 4 damage.

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quote:
Originally posted by evilempire22:
If I have a Pandemonium or Warstorm Surge in play, then play Moltensteel Dragon, can I put the enchantment trigger on the stack, pay a bunch of life into the dragon's firebreathing ability, and one-shot someone from the damage off the enchantment?

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yes. Ruling From Pandemonium on Gatherer : "10/4/2004 The triggered ability does not check the creature's power until the ability resolves."

it will even work if the dragon dies before the pandemonium trigger resolves.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on February 17, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
yes. Ruling From Pandemonium on Gatherer : "10/4/2004 The triggered ability does not check the creature's power until the ability resolves."

it will even work if the dragon dies before the pandemonium trigger resolves.


Thanks for the quick reply. I figured as much but needed to confirm. Too bad the guy above you has no idea what he is talking about...

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Originally posted by fedorables:
No. By time you can activate Moltensteel's ability, it is already on the battlefield, and it has triggered the mentioned enchantments for 4 damage.


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by evilempire22 on February 17, 2013]

 
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I'm having a hard time understanding why one can Stifle Emrakul's graveyard effect, keep it in the graveyard, then proceed to reanimate it, but does not work with Blightsteel Colossus. Is there that much of a difference between Emrakul's "When" and Blightsteel's "If?"
 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
"(At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)"

This is all one triggered ability, so you add a counter, then pay 1+B or sac it. at no time between can you remove this counter. However, you can keep using hex parasite to take these counters off AFTER, keeping your upkeep cost to 1+B.


You sure? MODO seems to treat it as two events.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by achaye:
I'm having a hard time understanding why one can Stifle Emrakul's graveyard effect, keep it in the graveyard, then proceed to reanimate it, but does not work with Blightsteel Colossus. Is there that much of a difference between Emrakul's "When" and Blightsteel's "If?"

emrakul has a triggered ability, blightsteel has a replacement effect.

14.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615), replacement effects apply continuously as events happen—they aren’t locked in ahead of time. Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event with a different event. They act like “shields” around whatever they’re affecting.
614.1a. Effects that use the word “instead” are replacement effects. Most replacement effects use the word “instead” to indicate what events will be replaced with other events.

quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
You sure? MODO seems to treat it as two events.

702.22a. Cumulative upkeep is a triggered ability that imposes an increasing cost on a permanent. “Cumulative upkeep [cost]” means “At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent. Then you may pay [cost] for each age counter on it. If you don’t, sacrifice it.” If [cost] has choices associated with it, each choice is made separately for each age counter, then either the entire set of costs is paid, or none of them is paid. Partial payments aren’t allowed.

I'm sure. Its one trigger, not two.

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Two questions:

1: Does Glaring Spotlight take away the ability from Leonin Abunas?

2: If I have a Mycosynth Lattice out, does my partners Etched Champion lose his protection from my creatures?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
Two questions:

1: Does Glaring Spotlight take away the ability from Leonin Abunas?

2: If I have a Mycosynth Lattice out, does my partners Etched Champion lose his protection from my creatures?


1) Kinda. Glaring Spotlight allows it's controller to ignore the hexproof ability, but Leonin Abunas is still giving hexproof. Glaring Spotlight is the winner in this matchup.

2) Yes, the lattice makes everything colorless so while Etched Champion still has protection from all colors it doesn't do anything useful.

 
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If a creature like Court Street Denizen creatures enter the battlefield with a second white creature, due to something like an Angel of Glory's Rise, will the Court Street Denizen's ability trigger?

This text from the rules seems to think so, just checking because it's not the clearest.

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603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, "When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . " or "Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, . . ." Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
If a creature like Court Street Denizen creatures enter the battlefield with a second white creature, due to something like an Angel of Glory's Rise, will the Court Street Denizen's ability trigger?

This text from the rules seems to think so, just checking because it's not the clearest.
[QUOTE]603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, "When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . " or "Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, . . ." Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event.


[/QUOTE]

Yes. They see each other entering. (If, for example, if 2 Denizens come into play, you'll get 2 triggers, if 3, 6, for example.)

 
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Ciao guys;

Had an EDH game last night where one of my friends wanted to tap my Executioner's Capsule with a Telekinetic Sliver effect in order to prevent me from using it.

I know this doesn't work the way he wanted it to, and told him that he couldn't prevent the activation, only force me to use it or not at his choosing by tapping it.

The question is how do I explain this properly, what is the sequence / wording for it?

Cheers for the answer;
keywacat

 
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quote:
Originally posted by keywacat:
Had an EDH game last night where one of my friends wanted to tap my Executioner's Capsule with a Telekinetic Sliver effect in order to prevent me from using it.
...
The question is how do I explain this properly, what is the sequence / wording for it?

"tap: Tap target permanent."
This ability uses the stack. You are given an opportunity to respond. Simple way to make sure he understands, ask him how a counterspell (ie: cancel) works and he should understand that you then get to respond to stuff (spell or ability, should be simple enough to see the connection).

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
"tap: Tap target permanent."
This ability uses the stack. You are given an opportunity to respond. Simple way to make sure he understands, ask him how a counterspell (ie: cancel) works and he should understand that you then get to respond to stuff (spell or ability, should be simple enough to see the connection).

I'm not quite understanding...

The sequence was:

me) activate Executioner's Capsule
friend) tap in response
me) [weak explanation that it doesn't work that way but I cannot explain why]

Does the fact that I attempted to activate the Capsule first change things? My thinking was once the cost is paid the tap and sacrifice (activation) can no longer be prevented.

Cheers for it;
keywacat

 
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ah, my understanding of the scenario was reversed.

you have priority, you activate the capsule paying the cost of sacrificing it, you then pass priority where he can respond. The capsule is no longer in play to even be a valid target for the sliver. beyond that, if it were something like say an Elixir of [card]Immortality[/card], the ability on the stack is independent from the source. If he responded to the activation with his sliver's ability, the elixir would already be tapped and tapping it once again would not stop the ability. The only way to remove the ability from the stack would be to counter it with something like stifle.

 
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What he wants to try to do is tap it at a time where you might really not want to use it, so you'll let him tap it and not just activate it in response to his targetting it with the tap ability.

But if you've already activated it, countering the activated ability is the only way out.

The only way he actually stops you from using it, is if when he has priority, and you don't have the activation on the stack yet, were to Krosan Grip it, or something else with split second.

 
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Guys i need some clarificatory answer about gideon:COJ and signal the clan..

Judge can you answer my question?

1)About Gideon,Champion of Justice.


quote:
0: Until end of turn, Gideon becomes an indestructible Human Soldier creature with power and toughness each equal to the number of loyalty counters on him. He's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.:
[/b]


Question 1:

if i activate Gideon:COJ 2nd ability making him a creature...Is Gideon:COJ a 4/4 or 0/0 white/red soldier token.since i don't activate his 1st ability?


quote:
+1: Put a loyalty counter on Gideon, Champion of Justice for each creature target opponent controls:

GIDEON:COJ Has:
Loyalty: 4



Question 2:

my opponent has 2 creature then i activate Gideon:COJ 1st ability for Gideon...do i put 3 loyalty counter( +1 activation for gideon and plus 2 loyalty counter on my opponents creature ) or just simply a +1 loyalty counter,regardless 2 or more creatures my opponents control..?


2. ABout SIGNAL CLAN:


quote:
Search your library for three creature cards and reveal them. If you searched for three cards with different names, choose one at random at put it into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.:
[b]


QUESTION 1:

1.)what if i only have 2 SUNDERING TITAN creature in my deck.and that creature is SUNDERING TITAN.can i used signal clan even if if it doesn't make it to 3 creatures.?

QUESTION 2:

2.Do i pick a random even if i pick a 3 creatures with same name..for exampleick 3 llanowar elves....?

Thanks Demilio
for linked me here:


 
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quote:
Originally posted by Encantadian:
[B]1)About Gideon,Champion of Justice.

Question 1:

if i activate Gideon:COJ 2nd ability making him a creature...Is Gideon:COJ a 4/4 or 0/0 white/red soldier token.since i don't activate his 1st ability?


He comes into play with 4 counters on him already. The ability says his p/t are equal to the counters on him, so he'd be a 4/4.

quote:

Question 2:

my opponent has 2 creature then i activate Gideon:COJ 1st ability for Gideon...do i put 3 loyalty counter( +1 activation for gideon and plus 2 loyalty counter on my opponents creature ) or just simply a +1 loyalty counter,regardless 2 or more creatures my opponents control..?



You put one on him for the activation whether they have creatures or not. And then the effect is to add more counters to him equal to the number of creatures they control.


quote:

2. ABout SIGNAL CLAN:

QUESTION 1:

1.)what if i only have 2 SUNDERING TITAN creature in my deck.and that creature is SUNDERING TITAN.can i used signal clan even if if it doesn't make it to 3 creatures.?


If you don’t reveal three creature cards with different names, you’ll simply shuffle your library (including any cards you revealed)

quote:

QUESTION 2:

2.Do i pick a random even if i pick a 3 creatures with same name..for exampleick 3 llanowar elves....?


If you don’t reveal three creature cards with different names, you’ll simply shuffle your library (including any cards you revealed).

 
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How does Prismatic Omen interact (if at all) with Blood Moon?

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