Now i'm wanting to play black (for reanimation which = godliness theme AND the card advantage theme) and 4 colors (don't like any BUG legends + want to be different), so i'm settled on a Nephilim, either WUBG Witch-maw (put two +1+1 counters on it when you cast spell), or UBRG Glint-Eye (when it deals combat damage you draw that many cards, pay 1 and discard a card it gets +1+1 until end of turn).

I like Witchmaw because if i play B/W i am excited to use Debtor's Knell again, and keep the white cards i do adore in my WUG build like Eldamri's Call, Drogskol Reaver, Karmic Guide, and Enlightened Tutor. The bad news the Nephilim is not really what i would use my deck, besides the colors. Outrageous with the new Simic guidmage, but otherwise in no need of a beatstick like Mr. Tongue.

I like Glinteye because his ability is exactly what i need; a way to draw/filter cards. With a little reanimate i also would like to have a way to pitch cards as well.
What i am unsure of, is what i can use in red for my theme. I really, really like Riku; 2 mana to copy is a solid example of card advantage to me. Other than Riku, Dack's Duplicate, and probably Wild Ricochet, i have no idea what i can play to support my theme. Maybe Cauldron Dance for the reanimation sub-theme.

So yeah, Braids, Rofellos, and Erayo get the boot. Kokusho can be back in the command zone and Metalworker is legal.

http://forum.mtgcommander.net/EDH_Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17210

Thoughts? Concerns?

I'm not sad to see Rofellos go. Even after he was banned as a commander, so many green decks still found ways to get him in play as fast as possible. I'm leery of Metalworker, but tend to agree it's most damaging location is in a Sharuum deck...which already leans towards being degenerate.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Not very happy about the Roffelos ban, especially since I just bought a pimp version of him. I feel like he isn't that terribly broken unless you can consistently get him out T2 with some Forest ramp as well. =\

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Yeah, red is tough.

Reiterate is always a staple for me. I also love Blasphemous Act.
Cauldron Dance.

Maybe Cloven Casting, Djinn Illuminatus, Izzet Guildmage, Kiki-Jiki, Twinflame.

Maybe Acidic Soil, Anathemancer, any of the Phoenix's, Grixis Charm, Sedraxis Specter, Marchesa, Pyre Zombie, Void, Insurrection, Maelstrom Wanderer, Nicol Bolas (planeswalker), Olivia Voldaren, Cruel Ultimatum,

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Oh man, this thing sunk way down. Necro time.

So yeah, Braids, Rofellos, and Erayo get the boot. Kokusho can be back in the command zone and Metalworker is legal.

http://forum.mtgcommander.net/EDH_Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17210

Thoughts? Concerns?

I'm not sad to see Rofellos go. Even after he was banned as a commander, so many green decks still found ways to get him in play as fast as possible. I'm leery of Metalworker, but tend to agree it's most damaging location is in a Sharuum deck...which already leans towards being degenerate.

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My mono-green deck just got hit relatively hard. Rofellos was hardly a lynchpin, but it was incredibly useful: one of my first tutor targets, usually. Not sure how I'll replace it.

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I like how they are doing away with the "banned in command zone, but not banned in deck" ....that always sat wrong with me for some reason. If it's too good to be in command zone why is it allowed in the deck? You probably have easier access to it in your deck to abuse a card.

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Kokusho isn't nearly as bad as people think, neither is Metal Worker. Those other guys are just too oppressive. Kokusho is still REALLY power 1v1, and Metal Worker does have the chance to be broken, but also terrible/mediocre.

I like how they are doing away with the "banned in command zone, but not banned in deck" ....that always sat wrong with me for some reason. If it's too good to be in command zone why is it allowed in the deck? You probably have easier access to it in your deck to abuse a card.

I think they still dropped the ball on Cradle.....card needs to go, it's too good.

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The nice thing about EDH is really that people can just gang up on you to death if you are playing degenerate things. That's why so much brokenness is allowed. It's pretty hard to cheese a table with so much possible disruption. (The downside is that people run stuff like Wrath as point removal, so my intentionally bad tribal deck doesn't go very far in some playgroups).

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Those other guys are just too oppressive.

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Well, Rofellos is only really oppressive as a commander. Kokusho surprises me, for the same reasons as Volcanon.

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It is possible that the RC were made aware of this and realized it would be too confusing for new players not to be able to use koko as general.

My group more or less treats the ban list as a "proceed with caution" list and gives a lot of the cards a try anyway, so this shouldn't change much.

http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/index.html

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the White Planeswalker will by Serra and the Red will be Jaya.

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Spoilers underway. Full black deck has been spoiled.

http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/index.html

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the White Planeswalker will by Serra and the Red will be Jaya.

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Some cool cards in there. I'm surprised at the do 2 things with up to 2 players card. They really seem abusive for teaming up on people. Trade Secrets was banned for that reason but it is much more powerful than any of these effects.

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Spoilers underway. Full black deck has been spoiled.

http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/index.html

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the White Planeswalker will by Serra and the Red will be Jaya.

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I don't think it will be Serra. To iconic imo. Lord Windgrace is the pw I am thinking it will be.

As for the red walker, hmmm. I am kinda stumped. Perhaps. Jaya...

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wurmcoil engine has been spoiled.Good news if you don't have them.Good time to get rid of any som copies now.On another note,does anyone ever use kharns ultimate in a edh game?My group bans it as a house rule.Kinda like sharazhad.No one would want to play an extra game anyway at the rate some of our games go on.

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I would be surprised that Karn's ultimate ever fires unless the other guy is also using doubling season.

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Is there another card that does the same as Doubling Season? Doubles your loyalty counters on a walker.

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Also, Gilder Bairn works in a similar way to Doubling Season.

On the topic of Doubling Season and planeswalkers...would you include it in a deck where the only real synergy is with Planeswalkers? DS only impacts them if it's in play as you play a PW, and has no impact on them after that. Is that single shot in the arm really worth it, since it does allow some to ultimate right away?

I ask because I've been working on a BUG walker deck and I question if I would rather have more proliferate cards, since they can be relevant at any time I draw them if there are PW on the field already.

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On the topic of Doubling Season and planeswalkers...would you include it in a deck where the only real synergy is with Planeswalkers? DS only impacts them if it's in play as you play a PW, and has no impact on them after that. Is that single shot in the arm really worth it, since it does allow some to ultimate right away?

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Take a look at all the BUG planeswalkers you can ultimate immediately with doubling season. Hint, it includes all the Lilliana's and Tamiyo. Is it really worth completely dominating a game? Doubling season is more powerful than any proliferate card, and it doubles the power of proliferate cards.

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I guess, given a high enough density of walkers in a deck, it is worthwhile. It just "feels" like a narrow inclusion, if that makes any sense at all.

EDIT: Red and White CMD14 planeswalkers spoiled. Both are nice, but extremely narrow in design.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
I guess, given a high enough density of walkers in a deck, it is worthwhile. It just "feels" like a narrow inclusion, if that makes any sense at all.

EDIT: Red and White CMD14 planeswalkers spoiled. Both are nice, but extremely narrow in design.

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Doubling Season with Jace, AoT is usually GG.

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Doubling Season with Jace, AoT is usually GG.

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I don't see how that is game breaking. Or gg for that matter.

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I don't see how that is game breaking. Or gg for that matter.

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In a 4 player EDH game, getting the best spell from each player (including yourself) for free is game breaking. Combination of board wipe/mass land destruction plus your own Tamiyo/Liliana Vess with Doubling Season in play is major kick in the nuts to your opponents.

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