If people combo out, it's usually because I didn't prepare myself for it or overextended.

I use combos in my Zedruu, but they are hard to assemble (3 cards).

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Originally posted by choco man:
If I have Survival of the Fittest in my EDH, does that automatically make me a d-bag? I have no combos other than Brine Elemental/Vesuvan Shapeshifter (which if you see coming and can do something about it is a crap combo).

Someone got frustrated when I played it (off a Possibility Storm, no less). And that guy had Mind Over Matter in play, so...

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Winning is not a prerequisite, just a added bonus if it happens.

As an example, I was playing 3 person EDH.
Guy tried to cast Tooth and Nail entwined. If you're anybody who plays EDH, you know that it can be game outright when that card gets played. I countered it twice (stupid eternal witness) and the third time it got through, about 15 turns down the line. I lost, but yeah.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
The reason I play EDH: Every game is different (Unlike 60 card casual decks where I used to get bored), and to have fun.

Winning is not a prerequisite, just a added bonus if it happens.

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I am nodding in agreement here. Winning doesn't really matter as long as the game was fun. Bonus for me is if there was some insane plays that happened. Love the crazy plays .

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
What's wrong with Survival? There are 2 card combos in every color. (Mikaeus, Triskelion).

If people combo out, it's usually because I didn't prepare myself for it or overextended.

I use combos in my Zedruu, but they are hard to assemble (3 cards).

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I don't think there is anything wrong with Survival, but I'm not the only one playing so it kinda matters to me what others think. However, imo, it's not even nearly as good as other "really really good" unbanned cards in EDH.

I wished others felt the same way, but if they don't I won't fight it. I'm leaning towards taking it out of my deck anyways.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
lol people whine to much in EDH they just need to grow up is all, just ignore them.

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Normally, I would but I'm trying to blend into a new store and have no other choice for EDH at the moment.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Combos are part of the game, and usually the reason EDH games end. Necessary evil.

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Tbh most "combos" are simply cards that just work together well. To me, there's a big difference between a green deck playing Avenger/Primordial together vs a Blue deck playing Knowledge Pool/Teferi. Wth is Knowledge Pool in the deck other than to combo with?

Combos are legit. But decks built entirely around them are annoying because they turn every game into Archenemy or Goldfish. They end the exact same every time and aren't fun at all. Some combos are just crummy to have to deal with. For example, Arcanis/Azami/Niv-Mizzet decks with Mind Over Matter. Personally, I wouldn't whine if I had to play against those decks all the time because if needed I can build a deck like that and out-play most people enough to make the game miserable for them if necessary. But even if I don't whine about it, I don't like it.

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Originally posted by choco man:
If I have Survival of the Fittest in my EDH, does that automatically make me a d-bag? I have no combos other than Brine Elemental/Vesuvan Shapeshifter (which if you see coming and can do something about it is a crap combo).

Someone got frustrated when I played it (off a Possibility Storm, no less). And that guy had Mind Over Matter in play, so...

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No. Survival is a good card, but anybody who complains about it likely someone who just likes to get mad when someone else might win.

I mean, the dude with MoM is complaining? Give me a break. That card is only ever used to do broken things. At least Survival can be fair.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Does Oblation work for you all?

Lots of Maelstrom Wanderer around these parts and I really hate playing against it.

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I use oblation all the time. Over on tappedout, everybody keeps giving me crap because it's a "bad" kill spell, and suggesting I use "better" cards, and every single one of them seems to miss that it is ONLY a "General goes away please" card, and that it's not a kill spell.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
I use oblation all the time. Over on tappedout, everybody keeps giving me crap because it's a "bad" kill spell, and suggesting I use "better" cards, and every single one of them seems to miss that it is ONLY a "General goes away please" card, and that it's not a kill spell.

I love it.

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Well, I still think it's a bad removal spell. Excels at dealing with generals. Maelstrom Wanderer finally pushed me over the edge.

When something ABSOLUTELY has to go, it's a small price to pay in the long run and that's what's important.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Oblation is a great card because you can always shuffle in one of your own cards to draw some cards.

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Only worth it to save something from getting exile'd, or do you use it more often than that?

I'm still not sure if Oblation really is a great card.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Only worth it to save something from getting exile'd, or do you use it more often than that?

I'm still not sure if Oblation really is a great card.

Devonin and WeedIan, which generals do you normally play against? Do you both have Oblation in every white deck?

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I play it in most mono white and WR decks since those don't have much card draw.

Captain Sisay
Skyship Weatherlight (fetched by the Captain)
Gaea's Cradle (fetched by the Captain)
Quicksilver amulet (fetched by the Skyship)

and tons of huge creatures/legendary creatures fetched by the captain and creature fetching spells, put into play by the Amulet or tons of mana from the Cradle.

And artifact/land recovery for when people bury my Cradle, Quicksilver Amulet and so on

Just will be scarce on the removal. Make sure to utilize stuff like Condemn, Oblation, some of green's destroy target creature with flying and desert twister, creeping mold, acidic slime.

Captain Sisay might be the only white deck that I would ever consider Oblation being a 100% staple regardless of meta. It's the only deck where Oblation'ing your own stuff doesn't seem silly since you can just search it up immediately afterwards.

A lifegain theme in your Sisay deck seems excellent. I've been wanting to use my Oracle of Nectars for sometime and you've got Trostani to tutor for each game if you want. There is also Atalya.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Only worth it to save something from getting exile'd, or do you use it more often than that?

I'm still not sure if Oblation really is a great card.

Devonin and WeedIan, which generals do you normally play against? Do you both have Oblation in every white deck?

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I'll run it in every white deck that isn't also black. Black has enough good removal to deal with generals multiple times, and I lean on black for removal in BW decks, over the white removal.

I'd consider it either a sideboard card or a "Just find out what generals are around in your meta and decide accordingly" card for most people's purposes.

To me, you use Oblation for Voltron generals, and generals with really serious abilities if you let them stick around a long time. If their general is just the onslaught dragon in their colours, and they probably aren't even going to cast it unless they get board, it can become a bit of a dead card.

Diamond Valley
High Market
Phyrexian Tower
Miren, the Moaning Well

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Originally posted by Devonin:
You don't -have- to do anything.

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Play 5 color control/goodstuff with Energy Baby as a backup?

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Originally posted by choco man:
If you're running Child of Alara, do you have to go all out and play:

Diamond Valley
High Market
Phyrexian Tower
Miren, the Moaning Well

Diamond Valley is really expensive for a land that doesn't produce mana and not playable in most EDH decks.

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Barring infinite life combos with DV, I think the other three should be enough.

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Originally posted by choco man:
If you're running Child of Alara, do you have to go all out and play:

Diamond Valley
High Market
Phyrexian Tower
Miren, the Moaning Well

Diamond Valley is really expensive for a land that doesn't produce mana and not playable in most EDH decks.

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