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iccarus
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posted October 30, 2014 02:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for iccarus Click Here to Email iccarus Send a private message to iccarus Click to send iccarus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MTGDennis:
i use narset, with all the extra turn cards, my deck wins almost every game online, and i just completed the list in real life. im sure it will do even better irl since its harder to get the cards irl than it is online

Sounds highly exciting to play against.

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quote:
Originally posted by MTGDennis:
i use narset, with all the extra turn cards, my deck wins almost every game online, and i just completed the list in real life. im sure it will do even better irl since its harder to get the cards irl than it is online

How do you win games when people won't ever play against that a second time?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MTGDennis:
i use narset, with all the extra turn cards, my deck wins almost every game online, and i just completed the list in real life. im sure it will do even better irl since its harder to get the cards irl than it is online

Doesn't taking extra turns game after game get old after a time? I personally like to mix things up. Like attacking and killing opponent with 7 8/8 octopus'.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
How do you win games when people won't ever play against that a second time?

My guess is he spends a lot of time alone.

 
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So volcanic offering.... In 1 vs 1 can your opponent just choose the same targets as you or Do they have to be different. Might b a question for the rulings thread byt its a new commander card so...
 
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quote:
Originally posted by guruswamp:
So volcanic offering.... In 1 vs 1 can your opponent just choose the same targets as you or Do they have to be different. Might b a question for the rulings thread byt its a new commander card so...

In 1v1 it is impossible for you to choose the same targets becuase your opponent has to target your land and you have to target their land.

 
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It says u dont control meaning the caster

Do the targets i pick resolve before opponent picks or not is what it boils down to i think.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by guruswamp:
It says u dont control meaning the caster

Do the targets i pick resolve before opponent picks or not is what it boils down to i think.


This should be addressed in the FAQ, which will be out when the sets are actually released at retail.

As far as the card reads now, you would pick a target and then your opponent would pick a target. The card lists no restriction on targets other than one "you don't control," so they could pick the same target (which they would probably want to do in a 1v1 scenario).

EDIT: It's probably worth noting these cards are not designed for 1v1 play. They are aimed at multiplayer environments, as are most of the commander-focused cards wizards produces. They don't really recognize 1v1 as a variant.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by iccarus on November 03, 2014]

 
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Whoops, I thought it said "they don't control" for the second part.

You will choose your target then your opponent will choose his target at the time you cast the spell. The lands will be destroyed simultaneously when the spell resolves.

 
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I have a few edh, my main one is Mayael fatties, which my friends appropriately named "Hopes and Dreams." Some games, I get out Avacyn on turn 4 and privileged position on turn 6ish. But also, I suffer from running into weaker fatties like Spellbreaker Behemoth or Primalcrux. Neither of which are bad, but they don't have as good a punch as avacyn, Iona, Gisela, or even godsire. It also runs rings of brighthearth for hilarity. My stronger deck is Kresh, and that deck runs a lot of low cost sacrifice/destroy spells, as well as some black green token production for creature consistency. Quietus spike also helps trim their life down faster with glissa to help prevent blocking.
 
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So if I run ob noxilis the fallen as my general.Hes mono black.Can I run every black fetch,every panaroma etc even it has a different type of land in the lands text?Cant seem to solve this.
 
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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
So if I run ob noxilis the fallen as my general.Hes mono black.Can I run every black fetch,every panaroma etc even it has a different type of land in the lands text?Cant seem to solve this.

I do believe you can. What you can not have is a different mana symbol in costs, including cmc.

For example:

Rhys the Exiled cannot be played in a mono green deck, but can in a green/black. It has black in its text box.

Another example:

Knight of the Eyeward Sky

Mono white is not available, but white/green is due to green in text box.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by revenger on November 20, 2014]

 
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Having the words "black" or "swamp" in a cards text box does not affect the color identity of that card. Every fetch land is legal in every commander deck.

Other common color identity questions:
Mana symbols in reminder text (extort) don't count towards color identity.

The color indicator on the back of a transform card does count toward the color identify of the card. Elbrus can only be played in black decks even though the front side is colorless.

Hybrid mana symbols count for both colors.

 
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posted November 25, 2014 12:53 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for junichi Click Here to Email junichi Send a private message to junichi Click to send junichi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I've been playing Narset for a few weeks, and looks like I will have to tune it down a bit. Right now, it's too powerful in a degenerate way, and has a reputation of "kill on sight" or "kill before sight" among my play group.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I've been playing Narset for a few weeks, and looks like I will have to tune it down a bit. Right now, it's too powerful in a degenerate way, and has a reputation of "kill on sight" or "kill before sight" among my play group.



Yeah, after a few games I've learned that basically it's "kill the Narset player before Narset resolves", because it's a probable GG if Narset turns sideways even once. It's hard to kill her, and she's blue so it's hard to counter her or use edicts or wraths. And there's infinite ways to give her haste.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Volcanon on November 25, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Yeah, after a few games I've learned that basically it's "kill the Narset player before Narset resolves", because it's a probable GG if Narset turns sideways even once. It's hard to kill her, and she's blue so it's hard to counter her or use edicts or wraths. And there's infinite ways to give her haste.

Pretty much. I double Time Stretch-ed another player on turn 3 just for ****z and giggles, and still managed to take down the table afterwards. The deck is great if you like to make sure no one else gets to play magic for the rest of the game, or if you like to play Dominion with infinite + actions and + draws.

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Are the medallions playable in EDH or is that slot better suitec for mana rocks?

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Are the medallions playable in EDH or is that slot better suitec for mana rocks?

I think it highly depends on the deck. I made good use of one in a Talrand deck, but that was a build that wanted to cast multiple spells in a turn. It served me much better than a mana rock would have.

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Whenever people give me **** about narset i just break out my xenagos deck.. no combos. No durdle. But you will die lol.

At least with narset the game lasts 10+ turns. facing narset is heaven compaired to xenagos. The first combat you dont have spot remOval you are dead.

i think tiny leaders is going to blow up soon with how much i seen it on forums and online now.. a lot of the casual crowd will leave. im not getting involved until i see some "decks to beat" and i waanna keep an eye on how they handle bans.

 
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Originally posted by helpmehelpyou:
Whenever people give me **** about narset i just break out my xenagos deck.. no combos. No durdle. But you will die lol.

At least with narset the game lasts 10+ turns. facing narset is heaven compaired to xenagos. The first combat you dont have spot remOval you are dead.

i think tiny leaders is going to blow up soon with how much i seen it on forums and online now.. a lot of the casual crowd will leave. im not getting involved until i see some "decks to beat" and i waanna keep an eye on how they handle bans.


I played Xenagos for awhile. I love attacking, with Xenagos, I never have to commit anything to the board

I got to "40" a few players with red Akroma a couple of times....good times.

 
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I'm having fun brainstorming a bunch of different lists for Tiny Leaders. It's turning out less-like EDH though and more like singleton legacy. I ran a Nin deck against a friend last night that basically played out like UR delver. It was fun, but I may need to tone it down a little.

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quote:
Originally posted by helpmehelpyou:
At least with narset the game lasts 10+ turns. facing narset is heaven compaired to xenagos. The first combat you dont have spot remOval you are dead.

If your Narset deck is not killing as fast as your xenagos deck it's because you have a worse build. narset is also a potential loss for anybody who doesn't have instant speed board wipes or spot removal + hexproof remover.

 
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Aaaand there goes tuck. Seldom do I disagree with the RC, but here I think they are way off the mark.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
Aaaand there goes tuck. Seldom do I disagree with the RC, but here I think they are way off the mark.

While I have never been happy about getting my general tucked, I fully understand that it's sometimes the only way to deal with a problematic general. Time to increase the number of control magic effects in my blue decks I guess.

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This is what the last two posts were about:

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17560

 

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