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Volcanon
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posted March 24, 2015 08:38 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Mirrors the 1v1 rules. Seems good to me. Why give blue the power to blank your deck?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Mirrors the 1v1 rules. Seems good to me. Why give blue the power to blank your deck?

The flip side of that argument is that if your deck is entirely based around one card you shouldn't be surprised if there is an easy answer. For example, should they also ban Pithing Needle?

I'm okay with the change but I don't think it needed to happen. Because our 'answers' to indestructible and cheap commanders got worse this has a chance of leading to some bans.

 
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posted March 24, 2015 11:36 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for junichi Click Here to Email junichi Send a private message to junichi Click to send junichi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
As if Derevi isn't already annoying enough to deal with, now you can't even tuck it away...

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posted March 24, 2015 05:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
The flip side of that argument is that if your deck is entirely based around one card you shouldn't be surprised if there is an easy answer. For example, should they also ban Pithing Needle?

I'm okay with the change but I don't think it needed to happen. Because our 'answers' to indestructible and cheap commanders got worse this has a chance of leading to some bans.


The whole fun part of EDH is that you can base your deck around a single card. Say you play Jhoira and a guy tucks it. Now your entire deck is neutered. How is it fun if you can't play a unique deck?

If I wanted to play a U/R counterburn or whatever I'd play 60 card casual. The whole interesting part of EDH is the huge reach you get for your general.

Pithing Needle is an artifact and easily removed. All similar solutions are permanents in a format full of removal. They haven't banned kill spells and the +2 gets expensive fast. If you're playing some sort of brutally OP general like that legend from Tarkir she will just get wrathed away all day anyway.

 
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That french banned list update has me wanting to run from the format as I was about to start playing.

playing against Braids? No thanks.

 
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posted March 25, 2015 12:46 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
That french banned list update has me wanting to run from the format as I was about to start playing.

playing against Braids? No thanks.


Playing against Monoblack? Virtually no way to deal with enchantments and artifacts? Yes please. With a double helping.

A turn 2 braids is virtually impossible anyway. All there really is is dark rit. Remember there's no absurdly good artifact mana legal in french.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Playing against Monoblack? Virtually no way to deal with enchantments and artifacts? Yes please. With a double helping.

A turn 2 braids is virtually impossible anyway. All there really is is dark rit. Remember there's no absurdly good artifact mana legal in french.


On the play, the mono black deck can very easily turn 3 a braids. You are correct in that a turn 2 braids is quite unlikely, however even on turn 3 it's incredibly punishing and not fun to play against. I wouldn't have minded it as an additional smokestack effect but when you get to keep recasting it, it is incredibly brutal.

 
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I like the rule change. The entire format is unique due to the general. Building a deck based around a general is the fun of the format, and to have it tucked away is no fun.

If someone is being degenerate already, in my opinion they've been playing the format wrong for a while. If you're playing combo and trying to control the game at all levels as is, then this rule helps you, but I wasn't playing with you to begin with.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim05:
I like the rule change. The entire format is unique due to the general. Building a deck based around a general is the fun of the format, and to have it tucked away is no fun.

If someone is being degenerate already, in my opinion they've been playing the format wrong for a while. If you're playing combo and trying to control the game at all levels as is, then this rule helps you, but I wasn't playing with you to begin with.


Nevermind. I found it. Hmmm. Oblaton now officially a jank rare now.

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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
On the play, the mono black deck can very easily turn 3 a braids. You are correct in that a turn 2 braids is quite unlikely, however even on turn 3 it's incredibly punishing and not fun to play against. I wouldn't have minded it as an additional smokestack effect but when you get to keep recasting it, it is incredibly brutal.

Play more kill spells. Your starting 10 should always include one kill spell or removal in 1v1.

Monoblack is one of the worst decks to play in 1v1. Seriously. One problem artifact or enchantment and you just fold. Black can't even deal with some of the powerhouses in the format like Geist or that other broken hexproof guy unless you happen to have an edict in hand. They won't always have duress or thoughtseize in their opening hand. And dark ritual is a singleton in a 100 card deck.

There is literally nothing to worry about with braids being a general.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Nevermind. I found it. Hmmm. Oblaton now officially a jank rare now.


Just because you can't get "rid" of a general doesn't mean you can't get "rid" of any other number of problem creatures. I'd hold on to Oblation. White doesn't have that many unconditional instant kill spells.

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