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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by choco man:
If you're running Child of Alara, do you have to go all out and play:

Diamond Valley
High Market
Phyrexian Tower
Miren, the Moaning Well

Diamond Valley is really expensive for a land that doesn't produce mana and not playable in most EDH decks.

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Originally posted by Swift2210:
I like DV precisely because it remains untapped. Don't know how many times it has foiled a Gilded Drake or exile/tuck spell

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Originally posted by stab107:
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{T}, Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.

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you dont accidentally tap it for mana and then need the effect.

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Originally posted by Swift2210:
I like DV precisely because it remains untapped. Don't know how many times it has foiled a Gilded Drake or exile/tuck spell

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I'm still finding it tough to be sold on the card because of that. You can have a High Market and similarly choose not to ever use it, EVER, when you have a creature in play.

Having a land not be useful for mana is a big opportunity cost to me (another example is when too many people cram in Temple of False God). Even in a Child of Alara deck where the effect is huge, there aren't a lot of creatures so the opportunity cost is still big.

If you're going to have a sac outlet that is 0cc to activate, there are many artifact ones and unlike Diamond Valley they can be used more than once-a-cycle of turns so they can function as true engines. They have a downside to not being a land though, since lands are harder to destroy.

I can definitely see decks that I would love to have a Diamond Valley. But for a Child of Alara deck specifically, if you're trying to make the best Child of Alara for you, do you have to include Diamond Valley? Do you just need that critical mass of land sac outlets? btw, I can definitely build around to mitigate the manaless attributes of DV. So although the question does involve the usefulness (in decks in general) vs cost, the main question is the about the critical mass of outlets I would use for Child.

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Originally posted by Swift2210:
I like DV precisely because it remains untapped. Don't know how many times it has foiled a Gilded Drake or exile/tuck spell

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If you need a $90 'safety feature' like that...
Who is targeting your stuff with Gilded Drake when you have a land that can't even be tapped for any other reason than to foil Gilded Drake?

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
What would you all say are the most popular/mainstream generals?
Or, if this can reasonably be 'measured', which generals are most likely to be worth money pimped? Not based on rarity/set but the general itself, such as one that might be played by someone who would spend a lot of money pimping said general/deck. Example maybe being Arcum Dagsson, that is a deck that at maximum power costs a LOT (blue and artifacts) and therefore people who play that deck probably have money to pimp their general.
In context, it is for deciding which legendary creatures to alter.

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Kaalia has exploded in popularity, simply from the repeated support WOTC has given the deck from the last couple of sets. Other usual suspects are Azusa, V. Clique, Animar, Zur, Nath, Arcum, Rafiq, Jenura, Wort (both kinds), and Maga.

You ever play against those players' whose life totals are always "different" from what you have them at? And by different, it's always higher rather than lower. :/

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Originally posted by Zeckk:

Kaalia has exploded in popularity, simply from the repeated support WOTC has given the deck from the last couple of sets. Other usual suspects are Azusa, V. Clique, Animar, Zur, Nath, Arcum, Rafiq, Jenura, Wort (both kinds), and Maga.

As for altering cards, there are plenty of multi-general all-stars that go in those decks, i,e. Tooth and Nail, Kiki-jiki, etc.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:

Kaalia has exploded in popularity, simply from the repeated support WOTC has given the deck from the last couple of sets. Other usual suspects are Azusa, V. Clique, Animar, Zur, Nath, Arcum, Rafiq, Jenura, Wort (both kinds), and Maga.

As for altering cards, there are plenty of multi-general all-stars that go in those decks, i,e. Tooth and Nail, Kiki-jiki, etc.

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Originally posted by nylarotep:
I would imagine Asuza would fall out of favor with the new M14 land rules. You can't do bounce shenanigans anymore with her to get more than the extra 2 lands.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
As for altering cards, there are plenty of multi-general all-stars that go in those decks, i,e. Tooth and Nail, Kiki-jiki, etc.

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That's something else I was thinking of too, but for starters me and the wife (aka the artist) were planning on starting with what was more obvious to be fancy. Lots of people upgrade all the cards in their deck, but the general is a clear focal point and probably the centerpiece.

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Originally posted by nylarotep:
You can't do bounce shenanigans anymore with her to get more than the extra 2 lands.

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How does one really do this in mono green?
3 Lands is still beast-mode, though. I've thought about building around her or Omnath since I can't use Rofellos.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
How does one really do this in mono green?
3 Lands is still beast-mode, though. I've thought about building around her or Omnath since I can't use Rofellos.
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Originally posted by choco man:
You are just making a goodstuff.dec and aiming to just out-value your table in each game. Which route do you go, Bant or Jund or BUG?

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BUG, best 3 colors in CMDR, even bad BUG decks are a load of fun.

for Instance I have a BUG deck focused on +1/+1 counters, deck is stupid explosive, taken games were I was dead on board and one timely spell allowed me to kill the table.

Now take that, and make it Goodstuff.dec, and you just destroy everything.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
BUG, best 3 colors in CMDR, even bad BUG decks are a load of fun.

for Instance I have a BUG deck focused on +1/+1 counters, deck is stupid explosive, taken games were I was dead on board and one timely spell allowed me to kill the table.

Now take that, and make it Goodstuff.dec, and you just destroy everything.

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Mimeoplasm is a nice goodstuff.dec general to have. He was my favorite new Commander general, I just haven't run him before because I don't build goodstuff.dec. But I've really been thinking about playing one nowadays.

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Originally posted by choco man:
You are just making a goodstuff.dec and aiming to just out-value your table in each game. Which route do you go, Bant or Jund or BUG?

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Originally posted by nylarotep:
Jund. It out-values people in every format.

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I think BUG gives you better disruption, since you have access to hard counters in blue. While I like BRG in general and have a very strong deck in the Jund shard, the red really does not add much. Black and green are far more important.

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Originally posted by nylarotep:
Jund. It out-values people in every format.

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Sometimes, I feel the same way. But sometimes I don't, which is why I asked.

Adding Red isn't as powerful as adding Green. It really only adds two things, haste and Kikki-Jikki.

Adding only two things doesn't seem like much compared to what Blue or White can add, but those two things just happen to work almost too well with Green- b/c of Green's creatures. Just that interaction is enough to at least consider Jund with as GUB and Bant.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
So I'm building 5 color slivers. Got roughly 55 slivers so far, which doesn't leave much room for support. Would love some ideas (support cards such as akroma's memorial, coat of arms, mirari's wake, gruul war chant). Suggestions?

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
So I'm building 5 color slivers. Got roughly 55 slivers so far, which doesn't leave much room for support. Would love some ideas (support cards such as akroma's memorial, coat of arms, mirari's wake, gruul war chant). Suggestions?

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Originally posted by bawitheba:
Wanted to share with y'all.
My custom EDH Playmat.

It goes with my 5 color walkers deck.
http://i.pgu.me/2JRPo+CU_original.jpg

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Pretty neat.