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skizzikmonger
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posted November 22, 2014 08:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for skizzikmonger Click Here to Email skizzikmonger Send a private message to skizzikmonger Click to send skizzikmonger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have a Mycosynth Lattice, Karn, Silver Golem and a Planeswalker in play

1) If I make the planeswalker a creature with Karn's ability, can I still use it's loyalty abilities?

2) If I make the planeswalker a creature, and I clone it with Phyrexian Metamorph or Duplicant, will the clone be a planeswalker with loyalty counters? If so, will I be able to use the planeswalker's abilities? Will the clone remain a creature at the end of the turn?

 
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1. Yes you can still use a loyalty ability even if the planeswalker has additional types like creature or land or if the planeswalker loses the planeswalker type. Loyalty counters are not removed even if the planeswalker loses the planeswalker type.

2. The clone will be a planeswalker and you can use its abilities. In the case of metamorph it will be an artifact planeswalker. Duplicant does not work though because it specifically checks if the imprinted card is a "creature card". Once your animated planeswalker leaves the battlefield it is no longer a creature.

Keep in mind that the planeswalker uniqueness rule applies any time you have two planeswalkers with the same subtype. If you clone your own planeswalker you will have to sacrfice one of them.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on November 23, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
1. Yes you can still use a loyalty ability even if the planeswalker has additional types like creature or land or if the planeswalker loses the planeswalker type. Loyalty counters are not removed even if the planeswalker loses the planeswalker type.

A couple more questions just to make sure I have this right. If I animate Tezzeret the Seeker making him a 5/5 artifact creature, then clone it with the Metamorph, the Metamorph will be a 5/5 artifact creature planeswalker named Tezzeret the Seeker? Will the Metamorph continue to be a creature, or will the effect end at the end of my turn? If Tezzeret's (cloned or original) loyalty goes to 0 while it's a creature, will it go to the graveyard, or stay in play since it's a 5/5 artifact creature?

 
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Would I get DQ for forgetting to attack with Goblin Rabblemaster Goblin token during combat phase?


Goblin Rabblemaster
Other Goblin creatures you control attack each turn if able.

At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a 1/1 red Goblin creature token with haste onto the battlefield.

Whenever Goblin Rabblemaster attacks, it gets +1/+0 until end of turn for each other attacking Goblin.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by flavor_of_the_weak on November 23, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
A couple more questions just to make sure I have this right. If I animate Tezzeret the Seeker making him a 5/5 artifact creature, then clone it with the Metamorph, the Metamorph will be a 5/5 artifact creature planeswalker named Tezzeret the Seeker? Will the Metamorph continue to be a creature, or will the effect end at the end of my turn? If Tezzeret's (cloned or original) loyalty goes to 0 while it's a creature, will it go to the graveyard, or stay in play since it's a 5/5 artifact creature?

Your metamorph will be an "artifact planeswalker - tezzeret" named "Tezzeret the Seeker". It will not be a creature since the copy ability doesn't copy any effects applied to the original tezzeret.

Only planeswalkers with 0 loyaly are put in the graveyard (like creatures with lethal damage). If tezzeret is a planeswalker (including any additional types like creature or enchantment) he would die. If he is a "tribal artifact enchantment creature land - mountain squirrel" with 0 loyaly he can stay on the battlefield with 0 loyalty

 
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quote:
Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
Would I get DQ for forgetting to attack with Goblin Rabblemaster Goblin token during combat phase?

It depends on the level lf the tournament and your history. If you had a history of this rule violation at the pro tour you could get DQ'd and banned.

http://wiki.magicjudges.org/en/w/Annotated_IPG/Game_Rule_Violation

 
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QUESTION ABOUT SORIN,SOLEMN VISITOR.


Scenario 1

Player A(PA): Has planeswalker:sorin,solemn visitor in play.then he activate sorins,solemn visitor 1st ability buy putting a +1/+0 and gain life link to his creature even if he doesn't have any creature in play.

Player B(PB): in responds to PA sorin,Solemn visitor 1st ability activation player B cast utter end to exile sorin,solemn visitor.

[b]Question 1: Can PLAYER A activate sorins 1st ability even if he doesn't have a creature in play.?

Question 2:is sorins 1st ability can be activated even if you have no creatures in play?

Scenario 2
PLAYER ADuring his turn) PA activated sorin EMBLEM's ability

PLAYER B:PA planeswalker has 1 loyalty counter on it then PB Cast Lightning Strike to PA's planeswalker:sorin,solemn visitor..

Question:is an enblem effect reminds even if sorin dies.can an opponent sacrifice a creature during PB upkeep.or simply emblem dies when Planeswalker leaves in player or die.?

 
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1. Yes, Sorin's first ability can be activated with no creatures in play. It doesn't require a target.

2. There is currently no way to destroy or remove an emblem in game once it has been created. The emblem stays there until the end of that game.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on November 26, 2014]

 
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Can I cast twin flame on darksteel ciditel when it has ensoul artifact and get a copy of it.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Can I cast twin flame on darksteel ciditel when it has ensoul artifact and get a copy of it.

Yes, but the copy will be a regular, non-creature, Darksteel Citadel.

 
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can I target a pro black creature in my graveyard with animate dead?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
can I target a pro black creature in my graveyard with animate dead?

you can, abilities only work while a card is on the battlefield unless otherwise stated/doesn't make sense (bridge from below, reassembling skeleton). but you wont like the outcome. animate dead resolves, bringing the creature onto the battlefield, and then it tries to attach. but now that the creature is on the battlefield, it has pro black, and animate dead is a black card, so animate dead is removed via state based effects. then animate dead triggers "When Animate Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it." so now your animate dead is in your GY an your creature is too.

you do get any sweet enters the battlefield triggers, but that's about it.

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Am I missing something here?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45329373@N03/16247472798/

So I attacked with two dragons (including Silumgar, the Drifting Death), so onto the stack went two triggers for "my opponents creatures get -1/-1 until end of turn". My opponent had 3 face down 2/2 creatures.

My opponent flipped over Thousand Winds, bouncing my two dragons. However his 2 2/2 creatures were not affected by the -1/-1 triggers when they resolved.

 
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http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/668/~/magic-online%3A-report-an-issue
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/668/~/magic-online%3A-report-a n-issue

Cool, thanks, yeah I submitted a request and got reimbursed almost immediately.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something stupid.

 
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What is the end result of casting batterskull with humility in play? Does the end result change if the caster of batterskull or the opponent controls humility?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
What is the end result of casting batterskull with humility in play? Does the end result change if the caster of batterskull or the opponent controls humility?

End result: You have a 5/5 black Germ with vigilance and lifelink.

If humility was played after batterskull you would have a 5/5 black Germ.

Reasons:
Your Germ token will be a 1/1 black creature instead of a 0/1 black creature.

Humility was in play first, so its effect will have an earlier timestamp than when batterskull became equipped. Therefore batterskull's giving of abilities will "win" and the Germ will gain vigilance and lifelink.

The bonus +4/+4 from batterskull always is applied after the 1/1 setting from humility.

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613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding effects, ability-removing effects, and effects that say an object can’t
have an ability are applied

613.2. Within layers 1–6, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first (see rule 604.3), then
all other effects in timestamp order (see rule 613.6). Note that dependency may alter the order in
which effects are applied within a layer. (See rule 613.7.)

613.6c An object’s timestamp is the time it entered the zone it’s currently in, unless it’s an Aura,
Equipment, or Fortification that’s attached to another object or player, or it’s a face-up plane
card, phenomenon card, or scheme card.

613.6d If an Aura, Equipment, or Fortification becomes attached to an object or player, the Aura,
Equipment, or Fortification receives a new timestamp at that time.


 
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I Got a question, Can I call a judge if a player was looking/peaking at their deck when shuffling?

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quote:
Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
I Got a question, Can I call a judge if a player was looking/peaking at their deck when shuffling?


Yes, and you should. Even though you're supposed to shuffle the deck next it is still considered cheating (disqualificatiob) if it was intentional and a warning if unintentional.

If they do it unintentionaly and you notice it and fail to report you have "cheated" and can be disqualified.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 22, 2015]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
If they do it unintentionaly and you notice it and fail to report you have "cheated" and can be disqualified.

That's not cheating as there's no advantage to be gained. You would hardly get a warning, let alone a DQ. Most judges would just ask you to report infractions as keeping track of them helps against cheaters in the long run.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Leeroy:
That's not cheating as there's no advantage to be gained. You would hardly get a warning, let alone a DQ. Most judges would just ask you to report infractions as keeping track of them helps against cheaters in the long run.

The IPG disagrees with you for non-casual events.

https://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WP N/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Infraction_Procedure_Guide_PDF2.pdf
"Unsporting Conduct — Cheating Definition
A person breaks a rule defined by the tournament documents, lies to a tournament official, or notices an offense committed in his or her (or a teammate's) match and does not call attention to it."

At regular REL knowlingly allowing your opponent to break the rules is a "serious issue"
https://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Judging_at_Regular_REL_PDF1.pdf

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Pail42 on March 22, 2015]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
The IPG disagrees with you for non-casual events.

https://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WP N/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Infraction_Procedure_Guide_PDF2.pdf
"Unsporting Conduct — Cheating Definition
A person breaks a rule defined by the tournament documents, lies to a tournament official, or notices an offense committed in his or her (or a teammate's) match and does not call attention to it."

At regular REL knowlingly allowing your opponent to break the rules is a "serious issue"
https://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Ma in/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Judging_at_Regular_REL_PDF1.pdf


You might want to read the full definition of Cheating

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Additionally, the offense must meet the following criteria for it to be considered Cheating:
- The player must be attempting to gain advantage from his or her action.
- The player must be aware that he or she is doing something illegal.

If all criteria are not met, the offense is not Cheating and should be handled by a different infraction. Cheating will often appear on the surface as a Game Play Error or Tournament Error, and must be investigated by the judge to make a determination of intent and awareness.


The same is true for regular REL. Allowing your opponent to break rules in your favour is definitely a serious issue. Allowing him to potentially cheat, however, is just very stupid; there's hardly any advantage to be gained.

 
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One side of it, Leeroy, is that when you don't report these sorts of things, there may be a sense that there's some sort of collusion going or some other level of cheating. You may be right that a judge will probably just give a warning, but at regular REL it is a big deal and a judge will stop the game to at least talk to players if they were to notice something like this on their own.

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I cast silkwrap
Target opponents morph
morph has a cmc of 0
Face up cmc is 4
Does silkwrap keep the card exiled?
Can you cite ruling?
 
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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=394699

Silkwrap will exile morphed creatures face-up and those creatures will return face-up if silkwrap leaves the battlefield. (See release notes on gatherer).

If the creature is morphed before silkwrap' ability resolves then the ability will be countered by the game rules (something in section 608) because all of its targets are illegal.

 

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