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Dancam1
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posted December 05, 2013 04:19 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Dancam1 Send a private message to Dancam1 Click to send Dancam1 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have a question about Boom Satyr. It's a flash creature. Can you bestow it on a creature as an instant using the flash?

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Yes any card with flash can be "played" any time you can play an instant.

Bestow is an ability that lets you cast the card in an alternate way so flash and bestow work together.

Cycling is an activated ability of the card - it is not 'playing' the card, so flash doesn't affect when you can cycle. (Bad example, because you can already cycle any time you can play an instant).

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702.8. Flash

702.8a Flash is a static ability that functions in any zone from which you could play the card it's on. "Flash" means "You may play this card any time you could cast an instant."

702.102. Bestow

702.102a Bestow represents two static abilities, one that functions while the card with bestow is on the stack and another that functions both while it's on the stack and while it's on the battlefield. "Bestow [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost." and "If you chose to pay this spell's bestow cost, it becomes an Aura enchantment and gains enchant creature. These effects last until one of two things happens: this spell has an illegal target as it resolves or the permanent this spell becomes, becomes unattached." Paying a card's bestow cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e-g.




[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on December 05, 2013]
 
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When playing 2-headed giant, does gray merchant count both players devotion together, or just the devotion of the player that casts it?
 
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posted December 07, 2013 06:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Devonin Click Here to Email Devonin Send a private message to Devonin Click to send Devonin an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
You are each individual players in 2-headed giant. It only counts permanents YOU control. Not your teammates.
 
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Just double checking here

If you have a creature with +1/+1 counters and play biomass mutation making it X/X it still gains the +1/+1's right. Have not plays much lately and Im trying new things for an fnm.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
Just double checking here

If you have a creature with +1/+1 counters and play biomass mutation making it X/X it still gains the +1/+1's right. Have not plays much lately and Im trying new things for an fnm.


correct. X/X overwrites the printed power and toughness in the bottom right corner. +1/+1 counters are just ON the card, so they get figured in after you change the printed stats.

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I was looking at some videos on MODO involving Mono Black Devotion.
When Pack Rat tokens came into play, the token card shows a casting cost. I was under the impression that tokens didn't have casting costs (and were destroyed by a Ratchet Bomb for zero for instance). So do the tokens count towards devotion to black for say Gray Merchants?

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I was looking at some videos on MODO involving Mono Black Devotion.
When Pack Rat tokens came into play, the token card shows a casting cost. I was under the impression that tokens didn't have casting costs (and were destroyed by a Ratchet Bomb for zero for instance). So do the tokens count towards devotion to black for say Gray Merchants?

~MM


most tokens do not have mana costs. however, tokens that are COPIES of things are exact copies, including mana cost.

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Interesting. So it counts those towards devotion because it says exact copy?

~MM

Edit: But Ratchet Bomb for 0 would still kill them?

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mikeyk135
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They have a 2cmc of 1B. They count towards devotion, and I believe ratchet bomb set at 2 kills them, not 0.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mikeyk135:
They have a 2cmc of 1B. They count towards devotion, and I believe ratchet bomb set at 2 kills them, not 0.

Correct. Mana cost is a copiable characteristic. So it would have to be a Ratchet Bomb for 2 to blow them up.

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mulder
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posted December 30, 2013 04:42 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mulder Click Here to Email mulder Send a private message to mulder Click to send mulder an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I play a Brainstorm, followed by a Fact or Fiction. Can i take the first five cards, shuffle them and present them to my opponent so he doesn't know which cards i put on top?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mulder:
I play a Brainstorm, followed by a Fact or Fiction. Can i take the first five cards, shuffle them and present them to my opponent so he doesn't know which cards i put on top?

apparently i am way off base.

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Pail42
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posted December 30, 2013 08:44 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
sure. FoF doesnt show them 1 at a time, so you could grab them all and shuffle them a bit first. Just be very, VERY clear to keep them away from anything else (hand, gy, anything really). Wouldn't want someone to think you're trying some sleight of hand shenanigans.

Per rule 700.3C the cards are still in the library while they are being revealed so they do have an order.

Per rule 401.2 you aren't allowed to change the order of cards in your library.

I think the actions you describe are against the rules.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mulder:
I play a Brainstorm, followed by a Fact or Fiction. Can i take the first five cards, shuffle them and present them to my opponent so he doesn't know which cards i put on top?

Gatherer is a great place to start.

quote:
The revealed cards are revealed in order, so that all players know what order they were on the library.

 
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Can you Stifle Mirari's Wake?

 
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Can you Stifle Mirari's Wake?


No

Mirari's Wake is a triggered mana liability

605. Mana Abilities

605.1. Some activated abilities and some triggered abilities are mana abilities, which are subject to special rules. Only abilities that meet either of the following two sets of criteria are mana abilities, regardless of what other effects they may generate or what timing restrictions (such as "Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant") they may have.
605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets three criteria: it doesn't have a target, it could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves, and it's not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities.")
605.1b A triggered ability without a target that triggers from activating a mana ability and could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves is a mana ability.

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If I control a Consecrated Sphinx and my opponent controls a Notion Thief, is it possible to deck my opponent during their draw step?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
If I control a Consecrated Sphinx and my opponent controls a Notion Thief, is it possible to deck my opponent during their draw step?

Yes, if you choose to keep drawing cards. Keep in mind that Consecrated Sphinx is a triggered effect so it's possible they could draw something that allows them to respond and break out of the combo.

 
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Since the rules change in M10 I'm not quite sure how banding works anymore. Some help?

1. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are attacking, can both survive by assigning one point each to each 2/2?

2. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are blocking, can both survive by assigning one point each to each 2/2?

3. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are attacking, and one 2/2 has trample, can I still assign the trample damage to the player if that player blocks with a 2/2?

 
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If you have 2 Soul Wardens and 1 Archangel of Thrune in play, when a creature enters the battlefield, does the add a +1/+1 counter from the Archangel trigger twice, once for each Soul Warden?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by TomB999:
If you have 2 Soul Wardens and 1 Archangel of Thrune in play, when a creature enters the battlefield, does the add a +1/+1 counter from the Archangel trigger twice, once for each Soul Warden?

Twice. You gain life in 2 separate instances

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Since the rules change in M10 I'm not quite sure how banding works anymore. Some help?

1. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are attacking, can both survive by assigning one point each to each 2/2?

2. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are blocking, can both survive by assigning one point each to each 2/2?

3. If I have a band of two 2/2s and are attacking, and one 2/2 has trample, can I still assign the trample damage to the player if that player blocks with a 2/2?


1. Yes,
702.21k During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with "bands with other [quality]" and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature's damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature's combat damage as he or she chooses among any number of creatures it's blocking. This is an exception to the procedure described in rule 510.1d.

2. Yes but you don't technically block in a band.
702.21j During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with "bands with other [quality]" and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature's damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature's combat damage as he or she chooses among any number of creatures blocking it. This is an exception to the procedure described in rule 510.1c.

3. Banding doesn't change YOUR combat damage assignment in this situation (it lets you assign your opponent's), so we use the normal trample rules.
702.19b
Example: A 2/2 creature that can block an additional creature blocks two attackers: a 1/1 with no abilities and a 3/3 with trample. The active player could assign 1 damage from the first attacker and 1 damage from the second to the blocking creature, and 2 damage to the defending player from the creature with trample.

Edit, F-banding and all the versions it has gone through.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on January 16, 2014]

 
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How does opalescence interact with creature enchantments
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
How does opalescence interact with creature enchantments

I would have thought Opalescence would have errata to say noncreature enchantments similarly to March of the Machines and artifacts. That is how I would assume it works at least.

 

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