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Author Topic:   The Rulings Thread part 55 - Please post ALL Rules Questions here!
oneofchaos
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posted June 23, 2014 01:35 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
not quite sure what you're asking? are you giving the other creature -x/-x, or are you giving thassa -x/-x, or all creatures?

If you use something like mutilate to give all creatures -4/-4, that would kill the 4/4 and leave thassa as a 1/1. she would be a 1/1 if she again became a creature during that turn, because mutilate gave her -4/-4 until eot. this is unlike mutavault, which explicitly states 'becomes 2/2'.


Think you answered my question, it was asked in a very ambiguous way. Essentially I just wanted to know if her P/T got modified, then she stopped being a creature, then went back to being a creature it would track her PT through

creature -> non creature -> creature?

 
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posted July 05, 2014 10:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Sovarius Send a private message to Sovarius Click to send Sovarius an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Gilded Drake's triggered ability - if i copy it with Strionic Resonator, i can't net an extra creature because i don't have an extra Drake to make the exchange?

Copy Karn Liberated's last ability and copy it with Rings of Brighthearth - You get nothing because you restart the game with all the exiled crap in play, then restart again? Or...?

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If you copy Gilded Drake's ability this will happen.

1. The copied ability will resolve and exchange the drake.
2. The original ability will resolve - it can't be countered by the game rules even though the target is now illegal. An exchange can't take place because you don't control the drake any more. At this point I'm not sure if the drake is sacrificed - the ability (you control) is saying to sacrifice it but your opponent controls the permanent.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on July 05, 2014]

 
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posted July 05, 2014 10:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
If you copy Karn's last ability nothing extra happens. The ability ends the current game which makes everything on the stack go "poof" including the other copy of the ability.
 
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Contaminated Ground is on a Steam Vents. Blood Moon enters play. What happens?

Utopia Sprawl is on a Temple Garden. Again, Blood Moon enters. What happens?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Contaminated Ground is on a Steam Vents. Blood Moon enters play. What happens?

Utopia Sprawl is on a Temple Garden. Again, Blood Moon enters. What happens?


Type-changing effects are applied in time stamp order (rule 613.2). So first contaminated ground applies then bloodmoon. Contaminated ground doesn't make the land a "basic swamp" so blood moon will turn it into a mountain.

Utopia sprawl will be put into a graveyard. It can only enchant a forest.

When a card sets a lands type to a basic land type(plains, island, swamp, mountain, forest) it makes that land lose all other basic land types but it leaves any super types like legendary, snow, or basic. (Rule 305.7). Some cards give additional types without taking existing ones away. They use text like "... is a forest in addition to its other types"

 
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posted July 06, 2014 07:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Sovarius Send a private message to Sovarius Click to send Sovarius an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
everything on the stack go "poof" including the other copy of the ability.

Hahaha, i can't believe i missed that. Duh!

Thank you very much.

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posted July 06, 2014 11:38 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Encantadian Click Here to Email Encantadian Send a private message to Encantadian Click to send Encantadian an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
question about mana confluence


quote:


Mana Confluence
Land (R)

TAP, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.


can i pay more than 1 life,lets say Tap then i pay 2 life to add two mana or can i pay more that 1 life in mana confluence.

 
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question about mana confluence


quote:


Mana Confluence
Land (R)

TAP, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.


can i pay more than 1 life,lets say Tap then i pay 2 life to add two mana or can i pay more that 1 life in mana confluence.

 
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posted July 06, 2014 11:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for thror Send a private message to thror Click to send thror an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
no, you cant. mana confluence has a cost, and an effect.

the cost is TAP, Pay 1 life. the effect is 'add 1 mana...'

You can activate this ability as many times as you can pay the cost. However, that means tapping AND paying life. if you can find a way to tap it multiple times, you're welcome to pay more life and get more mana too. but remember, you have to pay the whole cost, including tapping.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on July 06, 2014]

 
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posted July 14, 2014 02:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mulder Click Here to Email mulder Send a private message to mulder Click to send mulder an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Shardless Agent

What if I don't want to play the card I cascaded into? For example, I am at 1 life and i reveal a Thoughtseize. What happens to the Thoughtseize if I don't play it?

 
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posted July 14, 2014 03:54 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for psrex Click Here to Email psrex Send a private message to psrex Click to send psrex an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
If you don't cast the card then all of the cards go on the bottom of your library in a random order.
 
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posted July 16, 2014 08:38 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ieatfood7 Send a private message to ieatfood7 Click to send ieatfood7 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
ok, so I cast Cabal Therapy and name lighning bolt as I cast it...opponent says "hold on, in responce to casting cabal therapy I cast these two lightnening bolts from hand" and you say "ok, thos ehappen in responce, and as the spell resolves, I name force of will....the naming happens on resolution and you backed us up to before resolution, so before naming."

This is legal by the rules:

http://rules.wizards.com/rulebook.aspx?numbers=true&rulenameonly=true&game=Magic&category=Tournament+Policy&q=4.2

"...If a player casts a spell or activates an ability and announces choices for it that are not normally made until resolution, the player must adhere to those choices unless an opponent responds to that spell or ability. If an opponent inquires about choices made during resolution, that player is assumed to be passing priority and allowing that spell or ability to resolve"


but isn't doing that on purpose (baiting them by naming on casting, specifically hoping they will misplay and you can pick a different card) a violation of the rules? it seems unsportsmanlike at the least, and I thought there was a rule against using shortcuts to purposefully take advantage of your opponent.

 
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posted July 16, 2014 09:50 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ieatfood7:
but isn't doing that on purpose (baiting them by naming on casting, specifically hoping they will misplay and you can pick a different card) a violation of the rules? it seems unsportsmanlike at the least, and I thought there was a rule against using shortcuts to purposefully take advantage of your opponent.

You haven't "shortcut" anything by stating your choice early. The rules protect your opponent from trickery by preventing you from changing your choice unless they allow you to change your choice.

The only way this hurts your opponent is:
1. You cheat and change your choice even though they don't respond.
2. Your opponent doesn't understand the rules and thinks you can't - no matter what they do - change your choice.
3. Your opponent doesn't understand the rules and thinks you can - no matter what they do - change your choice.

If you don't want to be unsporting then explain the rules to your opponent.

 
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posted August 04, 2014 06:55 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vegas10 Click Here to Email Vegas10 Send a private message to Vegas10 Click to send Vegas10 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Rules question on Resoration Angel and Tidehollow Sculler interaction

I have a sculler already in play with a card exiled I then cast angel targeting said sculler do they get their card back before I pick from there hand or after or does the card stay exiled?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
Rules question on Resoration Angel and Tidehollow Sculler interaction

I have a sculler already in play with a card exiled I then cast angel targeting said sculler do they get their card back before I pick from there hand or after or does the card stay exiled?


The restoration angel will end up putting two triggers on the stack and you can choose the order because both events trigger before a player would get priority.

(Leaves battlefield) Return card, and (Enters battlefield) exile card

If you choose to return the old card before exiling the new card they will have a chance to play the returned card between the two triggers resolving.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on August 04, 2014]

 
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If my opponent attacks me with a Kitchen Finks with a -1/-1 counter on it and a Redcap with a -1/-1 counter and with a archangel of thune, and I block with 2 Giant Bears, do his creatures come back unpersisted? I know the Thune deals damage at the same time as everyone else, and that lifelink is no longer a trigger, but his ability would trigger and his creatures should die due to SBE with lethal damage on them?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If my opponent attacks me with a Kitchen Finks with a -1/-1 counter on it and a Redcap with a -1/-1 counter and with a archangel of thune, and I block with 2 Giant Bears, do his creatures come back unpersisted? I know the Thune deals damage at the same time as everyone else, and that lifelink is no longer a trigger, but his ability would trigger and his creatures should die due to SBE with lethal damage on them?

The creatures will not come back.

Combat damage happens at the same time:
The attacking player gains life and damage is dealt to players and creatures.

Then state based actions are checked:
Finks and Redcap die.

Then triggers are put on the stack:
Because Finks and Redcap had -1/-1 counters Persist does not trigger.
Archangel of Thune's lifegain trigger goes on the stack.

Then the active player gets priority:
Players have a chance to react before the trigger resolves.

Then triggers resolve:
Archangel of Thune will get a +1/+1 counter.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
The creatures will not come back.

Combat damage happens at the same time:
The attacking player gains life and damage is dealt to players and creatures.

Then state based actions are checked:
Finks and Redcap die.

Then triggers are put on the stack:
Because Finks and Redcap had -1/-1 counters Persist does not trigger.
Archangel of Thune's lifegain trigger goes on the stack.

Then the active player gets priority:
Players have a chance to react before the trigger resolves.

Then triggers resolve:
Archangel of Thune will get a +1/+1 counter.


That's what I thought. Oh well, people are idiots.

 
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I have a Courser of Kruphix in play and I play Read the Bones. Do I reveal both cards that I scry? Do I reveal both cards that I draw?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
I have a Courser of Kruphix in play and I play Read the Bones. Do I reveal both cards that I scry? Do I reveal both cards that I draw?

Drawing X cards is treated like 'draw 1 card x times'. take each step in action. the top card of your library is revealed from courser, then you scry 2. so YOU look at the top 2, and decide where they go. you dont reveal any card while scrying, but once you're done scrying, you reveal the top card of your library. then you draw one card, reveal the top, draw a 2nd card, and reveal the new card on top.

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Ok I've been out of the game for a bit and started back up recently , my question is if I have 2 thorncaster sliver on the battlefield will it deal 2 damage for each attacking sliver or just 1
 
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quote:
Originally posted by wild-ravager:

Ok I've been out of the game for a bit and started back up recently , my question is if I have 2 thorncaster sliver on the battlefield will it deal 2 damage for each attacking sliver or just 1

From Gatherer:
7/1/2013 If you control multiple Thorncaster Slivers and a Sliver you control attacks, each ability will trigger separately.

each sliver will deal 1 damage, and then deal 1 damage again.

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so each one triggers multiple times just making sure I understand correctly
 
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quote:
Originally posted by wild-ravager:
so each one triggers multiple times just making sure I understand correctly

Yes. Each sliver has 2 triggers when they attack.

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