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Author Topic:   The Rulings Thread part 55 - Please post ALL Rules Questions here!
flavor_of_the_weak
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posted August 22, 2014 04:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for flavor_of_the_weak Send a private message to flavor_of_the_weak Click to send flavor_of_the_weak an Instant MessageVisit flavor_of_the_weak's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
How does Paliano, the High City in casual game


Paliano, the High City
Legendary Land

Reveal Paliano, the High City as you draft it. The player to your right chooses a color, you choose another color, then the player to your left chooses a third color.

{T}: Add one mana to your mana pool of any color chosen as you drafted cards named

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Sovarius
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posted September 12, 2014 11:07 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Sovarius Send a private message to Sovarius Click to send Sovarius an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
If you are playing multiplayer, and an effect says you may look at an opponents hand (not 'that opponent reveals their hand'), can you reveal them to other players? Can you tell other players what is in their hand?

Against rules or no? You Bribery someone and just reveal the deck to everyone, ok?

 
chaos021
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posted September 13, 2014 01:03 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
If you are playing multiplayer, and an effect says you may look at an opponents hand (not 'that opponent reveals their hand'), can you reveal them to other players? Can you tell other players what is in their hand?

Against rules or no? You Bribery someone and just reveal the deck to everyone, ok?


I'm not a multiplayer person, but if the card says to "reveal," that info basically becomes public. If it says "you" may look at something, I don't think that info is supposed to be made public.

 
Pail42
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posted September 13, 2014 12:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I'm not a multiplayer person, but if the card says to "reveal," that info basically becomes public. If it says "you" may look at something, I don't think that info is supposed to be made public.

If you "look at" a hand nothing prevents you from telling everybody what is in the hand, but you aren't allowed to actually show the cards to anybody except your teammates.

If a hand is "revealed" everybody sees all the cards.

 
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posted October 16, 2014 09:22 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Bumping back up to the front page where it can actually be seen.
 
A1phaMale
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posted October 16, 2014 10:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for A1phaMale Click Here to Email A1phaMale Send a private message to A1phaMale Click to send A1phaMale an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Are exiled cards visible for anyone to see? Or is it based on a card's affect which causes cards to be exiled? For example, if you played parallax nexus, can you see the cards exiled by the opponent?
 
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posted October 16, 2014 10:25 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for A1phaMale Click Here to Email A1phaMale Send a private message to A1phaMale Click to send A1phaMale an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Can you stifle planeswalker abilities?
 
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posted October 16, 2014 10:33 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for A1phaMale Click Here to Email A1phaMale Send a private message to A1phaMale Click to send A1phaMale an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
for certain artifacts, when they are tapped are their continuous abilities still in affect? Howling mine, trinisphere, tangle wire, etc.

Perhaps this only applied to the older rulings...

 
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posted October 16, 2014 06:18 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MeddlingMage Click Here to Email MeddlingMage Send a private message to MeddlingMage Click to send MeddlingMage an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Deck help posted in MD as well as Deck Help.

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chaos021
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posted October 16, 2014 10:37 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Are exiled cards visible for anyone to see? Or is it based on a card's affect which causes cards to be exiled? For example, if you played parallax nexus, can you see the cards exiled by the opponent?

In general, it's a "public" info unless some effect makes it otherwise. Bane Alley Broker is a good example.

quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Can you stifle planeswalker abilities?

Yes, it's an activated ability.

quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
for certain artifacts, when they are tapped are their continuous abilities still in affect? Howling mine, trinisphere, tangle wire, etc.

Perhaps this only applied to the older rulings...


Trinisphere specifically says "as long as ~it~ is untapped..." The newer text on Howling Mine also says the same thing. I don't think tapping Tangle Wire does anything to its effects. In general, the old rule involving tapping things with continuous effects (to turn them off) went out the window a while ago.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on October 16, 2014]

 
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posted October 17, 2014 02:24 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Encantadian Click Here to Email Encantadian Send a private message to Encantadian Click to send Encantadian an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I need help:

Question about morph and ghostfire blade:


quote:
Ghostfire Blade
Artifact - Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Equip 3
Ghostfire Blade's equip ability costs 2 less to activate if it targets a colorless creature.

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quote:
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for 3. Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)

Question:

1)is morph creature or face down creature will be considered as a 2/2 colorless creature? or not

2)if yes,then can i equip 2/2 face down creature with ghostfire blade by paying a 1 mana cost to equip or should i pay 3.

3)what will happened to a 2/2 face down creature and a ghostfire blade, if you face up a morph creature would it be attached a ghostfire or not everytime it will face up.

QUESTION ABOUT:STORMBREATH DRAGON AND HUSHWINg GRYFF


quote:
Stormbreath Dragon
Creature — Dragon (MR)
Flying, haste, protection from white


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quote:
Hushwing Gryff
Creature - Hippogriff
Flash
Flying
Creatures entering the battlefield don't cause abilities to trigger.
2/1

mY opponet cast a 4/4 Stormbreath Dragon,in responds to his dragon before Stormbreath Dragon cames into play i cast a Hushwing Gryff..

Question:

1) can he attack his Stormbreath Dragon by haste ability,even if i cast Hushwing Gryff 1st before his dragon cames into play..Hushwing Gryff ability says Creatures entering the battlefield don't cause abilities to trigger since haste is a trigger ability..can he attack it or not?


2)Hushwing Gryff in play,can i negate a Stormbreath Dragon tiggered ability like PROTECTION FROM WHITE by Hushwing Gryff casting reprisal and target his dragom.?

3)Is HASTE,FIRST STRIKE,DOUBLE STRIKE,HEXPROOF,PROTECTION FRON COLOR(WHITE FOR EXAMPLE),MANA ACTIVATION,LIFELINK,VIGILANCE AND INTIMIDATE would be considered a trigger ability.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Encantadian on October 17, 2014]

 
chaos021
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posted October 17, 2014 08:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
Ghostfire Blade Questions:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. It will still be attached. The cost reduction only affects the equip cost. It does not say "Can only be attached to a colorless creature."

Stormbreath Dragon Questions:
1. Haste is NOT a triggered ability. It is a static abilitiy. So yes, Stormbreath Dragon can come for you.
2. No.
3. No.

 
Pail42
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posted October 17, 2014 09:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Most creature ability keywords are static. Some are triggered. The comprehensive rules will specifically tell you if an ability is static/triggered/activated.

When in doubt and you can't look it up online (google "exhaled mtg rules" for example) check the reminder text. If the reminder text uses the words "at", "when", or "whenever" the ability is probably a triggered ability.

 
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posted October 17, 2014 10:38 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Encantadian Click Here to Email Encantadian Send a private message to Encantadian Click to send Encantadian an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Ghostfire Blade Questions:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. It will still be attached. The cost reduction only affects the equip cost. It does not say "Can only be attached to a colorless creature."

Stormbreath Dragon Questions:
1. Haste is NOT a triggered ability. It is a static abilitiy. So yes, Stormbreath Dragon can come for you.
2. No.
3. No.


thanks for help man,it answer me well..

 
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posted October 27, 2014 01:12 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Encantadian Click Here to Email Encantadian Send a private message to Encantadian Click to send Encantadian an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
[u]QUESTION ABOUT DEFLECTING PALM.[/u]



Deflecting Palm & Planeswalkers

Scenario 1
Player A(PA): Has planewalker in play.
Player B(PB): Upon combat decides to attack PA's planeswalker.

[b]Question: Can PLAYER A Deflecting Palm an attack coming from a creature of PLAYER B to prevent and deflect the damage to PLAYER B

Scenario 2
PLAYER A: Has a Planeswalker
PLAYER B: Cast Lightning Strike to the player and decides to redirect it to PA's planeswalker.

Question: Can PA Deflecting Palm the damge redirected to the planeswalker to prevent and deflect the damage to PB.


[/b]


can anybody here answer my question...

 
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posted October 27, 2014 01:33 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for thror Send a private message to thror Click to send thror an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
scenario 1, the damage is being done directly to the planeswalker and you cannot deflecting palm it.

scenario 2 described in gatherer:

If multiple prevention and/or replacement effects are trying to apply to the same damage, the player who would be dealt damage (player A in your example) chooses the order in which to apply them. Notably, if noncombat damage would be dealt to you by a source controlled by an opponent, you choose the order in which to apply Deflecting Palm and the planeswalker redirection effect. If you apply Deflecting Palm first, the damage will be prevented (and damage will be dealt to the source’s controller) and the planeswalker redirection effect won’t apply.


so, if you control a planeswalker, and are the target of lightning strike, you can use deflecting palm to redirect that damage.

 
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posted October 27, 2014 11:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
As part of Encantadian's question, I've been wondering...

When does the player casting Lightning Strike have to announce the redirection?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
As part of Encantadian's question, I've been wondering...

When does the player casting Lightning Strike have to announce the redirection?


not until resolution. the 'defending' player will not know if the damage is going to be redirected until it is too late to counter or redirect, they have to decide to counter without knowing. some people shortcut it to just save time, 'bolt you, redirect to jace', or even 'bolt jace'. but technically, where the damage is going doesn't have to be told until the spell is resolving.

 
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posted October 27, 2014 06:38 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
not until resolution. the 'defending' player will not know if the damage is going to be redirected until it is too late to counter or redirect, they have to decide to counter without knowing. some people shortcut it to just save time, 'bolt you, redirect to jace', or even 'bolt jace'. but technically, where the damage is going doesn't have to be told until the spell is resolving.

If you say, "bolt jace" can you then wait for an opponent to let it resolve and then ding them? It doesn't resolve until the opponent chooses to let it, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able too.

 
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posted October 27, 2014 08:31 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If you say, "bolt jace" can you then wait for an opponent to let it resolve and then ding them? It doesn't resolve until the opponent chooses to let it, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able too.

From the tournament rules section 4
"A player who chooses a planeswalker as the target of a spell or ability that would deal damage is assumed to be targeting the planeswalker’s controller and redirecting the damage on resolution. The player must adhere to that choice unless an opponent responds."

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If you say, "bolt jace" can you then wait for an opponent to let it resolve and then ding them? It doesn't resolve until the opponent chooses to let it, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able too.

because YOU already took a shortcut. if the opponent doesn't respond, you're stuck. also what pail said.

 
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Then I need to find the redirection rules specifically. I argued this point, and a local judge said I was wrong.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on October 27, 2014]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Then I need to find the redirection rules specifically. I argued this point, and a local judge said I was wrong.

quote:
Comprehensive rules:
306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that
opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead.
This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering
replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the
redirection effect is applied.

Because of the tournament shortcut rule I quoted earlier, if you say "bolt jace" what you are effectively saying is:

"I cast lightning bolt targeting you and pass priority. If you take no action I will redirect the damage from you to Jace when lightning bolt resolves."

 
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posted October 30, 2014 08:28 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Because of the tournament shortcut rule I quoted earlier, if you say "bolt jace" what you are effectively saying is:

"I cast lightning bolt targeting you and pass priority. If you take no action I will redirect the damage from you to Jace when lightning bolt resolves."


Cards that name cards (pithing needle, phyrexian revoker, meddling mage, cabal therapy) if you state a card and then opponent does nothing are you committed?

 
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posted October 30, 2014 09:23 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
That is also covered by a similar rule in section 4.2 of the tournament rules.

quote:
If a player casts a spell or activates an ability and announces choices for it that are not normally made
until resolution, the player must adhere to those choices unless an opponent responds to that spell or
ability. If an opponent inquires about choices made during resolution, that player is assumed to be
passing priority and allowing that spell or ability to resolve.

 

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