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Author Topic:   The Rulings Thread part 55 - Please post ALL Rules Questions here!
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Then why doesn't it work for planeswalkers? You're placing counters there as part of the activation.

For planeswalkers you generally add or remove counters as the "cost" to activate an ability. Doubling season only changes counters that are put on by "effects".

If you had Doubling Season and Gideon, Champion of Justice the "effect" of the first ability would give you double the loyalty counters, but the "+1" is a "cost" and is not affected.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Then why doesn't it work for planeswalkers? You're placing counters there as part of the activation.


Adding (or removing) counters from a planeswalker is a cost not an effect.

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Are changelings creature type ally?

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Are changelings creature type ally?

Yes. Ally is a creature type, so any creatures with "changeling" will be an ally as well.

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Trying to get my sideboard together for the philly ptq and grafdiggers cage peaks interest . does it stop pod? Are there any matches it would be really good against . I have 2 slots I'm playing with .

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Cage -
quote:
Creature cards can't enter the battlefield from graveyards or libraries.

1/22/2011 If a creature card tries to enter the battlefield from a graveyard or library, it stays in its current zone.

Pod -

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Search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost equal to 1 plus the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.

Cage will stop any creature entering from the library. the pod player can still activate pod and sacrifice a creature, but they cannot get one from their library, and if they sacrificed a persist creature, it will NOT persist.

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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
Trying to get my sideboard together for the philly ptq and grafdiggers cage peaks interest . does it stop pod? Are there any matches it would be really good against . I have 2 slots I'm playing with .

I'm not exactly sure this belongs here, but it craps on Birthing Pod and the Persist/Undying mechanic if that's your question. I think it's also good against UWR Draw-Go Control or anything playing Snapcaster Mage.

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That's how I thought it worked. And I guess I did have 2 questions and only one was thread pertaining. Thanks guys.
 
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Can I cast Karametra, God of Harvests while Gaddock Teeg is on the battle field?

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"The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It’s always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color."

So I believe you can cast it because it is a creature spell.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by bluerong:
"The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It’s always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color."

So I believe you can cast it because it is a creature spell.


I also believe this is correct. The only time it checks is when it would enter the battlefield or when it already on the battlefield. Even on the stack, it's still a creature, which is why you cannot use Negate on it.

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Is the only difference between Oblivion Ring and Banishing Light that BL has to target an opponents permanent?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Is the only difference between Oblivion Ring and Banishing Light that BL has to target an opponents permanent?

Well you can't draw the game anymore with it since it can only target an opponents permanent? I've done that only once in my magic career, so not exactly something that is relevant. Did turn a match loss into a draw tho.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Well you can't draw the game anymore with it since it can only target an opponents permanent? I've done that only once in my magic career, so not exactly something that is relevant. Did turn a match loss into a draw tho.

It takes 3 o-rings for an infinite loop?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
It takes 3 o-rings for an infinite loop?


Yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Is the only difference between Oblivion Ring and Banishing Light that BL has to target an opponents permanent?

banishing light also cleared up a rules loophole that was really unintuitive. With oblivion rings ETB trigger on the stack, if you destroyed it or removed it from the battlefield, the SECOND trigger would also be put onto the stack (the one that returns the thing exiled), and resolve first. However, nothing was exiled yet, so nothing would return. THEN the ETB trigger would resolve, and exile the target for the rest of the game.

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Ok Eidolon of the great revel, when an opoonenet cast an x spell like rev, say 3uux, do they still take the 2, since the way I see it converted mana cost is 3 when Eidolon triggers or am I wrong? Have heard both ways regularly
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
Ok Eidolon of the great revel, when an opoonenet cast an x spell like rev, say 3uux, do they still take the 2, since the way I see it converted mana cost is 3 when Eidolon triggers or am I wrong? Have heard both ways regularly

revelation has a cmc of 3 EXCEPT when they cast it. and eidolon only cares when it's cast. they will not be taking 2, unless casting rev for 0.

think of it like this. I actually have to cast revelation before eidolon triggers, right? so now revelation is on the stack, and eidolon looks at it. is the cmc 3 or less? no, its 3uuw=6. no damage.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
revelation has a cmc of 3 EXCEPT when they cast it. and eidolon only cares when it's cast. they will not be taking 2, unless casting rev for 0.

think of it like this. I actually have to cast revelation before eidolon triggers, right? so now revelation is on the stack, and eidolon looks at it. is the cmc 3 or less? no, its 3uuw=6. no damage.



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Riku's abilities are triggered, and when it goes on the stack, you don't choose to pay until it resolves, correct?

So you cannot have the ability trigger, go on the stack, then choose to UR/GU, then pay for Rings of Brighthearth to copy the copy effect ?

Because the ability simply is never 'Activated', it is only a triggered ability, and you pay on the resolution?

 
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Riku has 2 triggered abilities, so you cant copy either with rings of brighthearth. An easy way to tell triggered abilities from activated abilities is that, normally, triggered abilities start with the words When, Whenever, or At. activated abilities are most commonly printed in the form of 'cost : effect', and the colon is a big indicator.


HOWEVER, strionic resonator lets you copy triggered abilities! So if you have that + riku, and cast an inst/sorc, here is what happens:

Cast Lightning Bolt. Riku Triggers. Before you decide to pay for riku, you pay 2 and tap resonator, copying riku trigger. Now you have a Bolt, and TWO riku triggers. as one resolves, you pay UR, and choose a new target for the copy if you want. repeat with the next trigger. then the original bolt finally resolves.

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Just wondering about Glissa the Traitor and a board sweep.

Does she trigger for each creature hitting the bin even though she is as well?

Same thing with Skullbriar and sadistic glee after a board wipe?

 
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Re: Glissa/board wipe - yes, the creatures dying at the same time 'see each other'

Re: Skullbriar/Sadistic - no, when Skullbriar dies, the enchantment goes to the graveyard, and the effect only applies to enchanted creature permanent (which Skullbriar is not anymore, and the enchantment does not put counters on creature cards in graveyards).

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If my opponent has a Thassa with exactly 5 devotion (say it's a UUUU costing 4/4), and I -1/-1 away the 4/4 Thassa is no longer a creature. If Thassa becomes a creature again, she is a 1/1 until EOT?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If my opponent has a Thassa with exactly 5 devotion (say it's a UUUU costing 4/4), and I -1/-1 away the 4/4 Thassa is no longer a creature. If Thassa becomes a creature again, she is a 1/1 until EOT?

not quite sure what you're asking? are you giving the other creature -x/-x, or are you giving thassa -x/-x, or all creatures?

If you use something like mutilate to give all creatures -4/-4, that would kill the 4/4 and leave thassa as a 1/1. she would be a 1/1 if she again became a creature during that turn, because mutilate gave her -4/-4 until eot. this is unlike mutavault, which explicitly states 'becomes 2/2'.

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