i cast zealous conscripts and activate the -8 ability.

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Originally posted by whocares:
friend has tamiyo with 8 counters and cyclonic rift in hand. he passes the turn.

i cast zealous conscripts and activate the -8 ability.

how and can he prevent me from ultimating tamiyo? what is his best
option here ?

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Unless you pass priority, he will not be able to stop you from using the ultimate.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
He can respond to your targetting of tamiyo with the conscripts and return it to his hand then. If he allows tamiyo to change sides, he cannot bounce it before the -8 resolves. Priority to active player in resolution and activation.

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Originally posted by mulder:
Can you cast Shardless Agent, cascade into a Fireball and cast it for 100 000 dmg?

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Originally posted by mm1983:
Does Djinn Illuminatus allow you to replicate suspend cards at the cost of 0 if the only way to cast it is to suspend the card. I am curious if this works with Ancestral Vision to draw out your deck or as many cards as you need?

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Originally posted by broiler1977:
Can you sac a mogg fanatic and activate prowl on earwig squad

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No.

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Originally posted by mattw:
Can I remove all the +1/+1 counters from a monstrous creature and make it not monstrous anymore?

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Nope, the creature is monstrous until it leaves play.

On the flip side of this question - you can still make a creature become monstrous if counters were put on it for some other reason.

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701.28a "Monstrosity N" means "If this permanent isn’t monstrous, put N +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous." Monstrous is a condition of that permanent that can be referred to by other abilities.

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Originally posted by choco man:
With Fist of Suns in play, is it possible to pay WUBRG for the Time Spiral suspend spells (eg Ancestral Visions)?

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no.As suspend is not casting the spell.Fist of the suns is only an alternate casting cost.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
I have a Desecration Demon in play, and my opponent has an untapped Mutavault and no creatures. I go to combat, putting the Demon's ability on the stack. My opponent taps his Mutavault to make it a creature to sac to the Demon. After the Mutavault trigger resolves, but before he can sac it to my Demon, can I kill the Mutavault to keep my opponent from tapping it?

This came up at FNM last night and no one knew if I could kill the Mutavault, or if my opponent still had priority and could sac it before I killed it.

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Priority just means the opportunity to add to the stack. A triggered or activated ability won't resolve until both players pass. You have a chance to kill Mutavault before the ability resolves for the same reason he has a chance to activate the Mutavault.

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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
no.As suspend is not casting the spell.Fist of the suns is only an alternate casting cost.

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That would be incorrect. From the rulings on Ancestral Vision:
10/15/2006 This has no mana cost, which means it can't normally be cast as a spell. You could, however, cast it via some alternate means, like with Fist of Suns or Mind's Desire.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Does Tsabo's Web make lands like Rishadian Port and Maze of Ith not untap?

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Originally posted by choco man:
With Primal Vigor/Doubling Season out, when you move +1/+1 counters with graft, do you multiply the counters or simply move one for one?

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10/1/2005: Doubling Season affects cards that "enter the battlefield with" a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would enter the battlefield with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.

10/1/2005: Planeswalkers will enter the battlefield with double the normal amount of loyalty counters. However, if you activate an ability whose cost has you put loyalty counters on a planeswalker, the number you put on isn't doubled. This is because those counters are put on as a cost, not as an effect.

According to similar rulings made on those cards, they only affect "enters-the-battlefield" triggers. Unless they've made a more recent ruling that I can't find, counters from graft would not get doubled.

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"If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control, it places twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead."

there was confusion regarding 'enters the battlefield with x counters', so they elaborated that yes, that is an included effect.

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Originally posted by thror:
they have those rulings so that people know those counters ALSO get doubled. any time you place a counter somewhere, including moving it, you end up with DOUBLE.

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That's would be weird because that seems obvious.

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Originally posted by YoungQuakerBoy:
From what the text says, it does not really make sense to double it (and then not to add more for plainswalkers, even if it is a cost), but all I have read, albeit it is just conversation, not rulings, says that it does double them.

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It makes perfect sense once you know the corresponding rules. Let's take it step by step:

Doubling Season says:
If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control, it places twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

What is an "effect", is strictly defined in Magic:

609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. (See rule 609. for detailed information.)

Graft says:
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, if this permanent has a +1/+1 counter on it, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this permanent onto that creature.

"Moving" has a definition as well:

121.5. If an effect says to "move" a counter, it means to take that counter from the object it's currently on and put it onto a second object. (For further reading, see rule 121.)

All clear now? :)

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Originally posted by Leeroy:
It makes perfect sense once you know the corresponding rules. Let's take it step by step:

Doubling Season says:
If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control, it places twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

What is an "effect", is strictly defined in Magic:

609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. (See rule 609. for detailed information.)

Graft says:
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, if this permanent has a +1/+1 counter on it, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this permanent onto that creature.

"Moving" has a definition as well:

121.5. If an effect says to "move" a counter, it means to take that counter from the object it's currently on and put it onto a second object. (For further reading, see rule 121.)

All clear now?

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Then why doesn't it work for planeswalkers? You're placing counters there as part of the activation.

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