-The Vigilante is assigned at the beginning of the game, just like the Cop, Doctor, and Mafia.
-If the Vig is killed, the role does not transfer.
-The Vig has a limited number of shots (1-3, to be decided pre-game).
-Starting on N1, the Vig can PM the Mod the name of one player to kill, just like the mafia can. That player will die. The name of the Vig will not be revealed.
-The Vig does not have to shoot if he does not want to.
-The Doctor can protect players from the Vig, even if the protected player is mafia.
-If the Vig and the Mafia target the same person, the Vig still loses a shot.
-The Vig cannot claim.
-When the Vig is out of shots, he effectively becomes a vanilla townie, except that...
-Upon death, the Mod will reveal that the player was the Vig, just like he would with any other roe.

I think this is the least confusing and most straightforward setup. Uncomplicated roles are best because it minimizes rules-lawyering and attempts at breaking the game. The role isn't overly powered, because the Vig has a limited number of shots and can't reveal himself, but it isn't weak either, because the Vig doesn't die if he misses. This ensures the town gets a small power boost while not making it super easy for them to win the game.

I think the Vig dying when he takes his shot is a bad idea. First, it doesn't necessarily make sense flavor-wise. For example, Batman is a Vigilante, but he doesn't die every time he takes out a bad guy. Second, it makes the Vig almost too dangerous to even use - if he's wrong, the mafia will have a field day. We need the Vig to at least be decently powered if he is going to help the town at all.

Logistics of mafia and WW on MOTL.

Eric has agreed to alternate running WW games with me. So I am looking forward to the next game with relish as I have never been able to run one before.

I understand Liq intends to post signups for Mafia relatively soon--does this preclude signups for the next WW game? (I.e. do I need to wait another month?)

Or is there?

~MM

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Name | UBB 1 | UBB 2 | UBB 3 | UBB 4 | UBB 5 | UBB 6 | UBB 7 | UBB 8 | UBB 9 |
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Mnty   Cit-A                   Cit-A   Cit-H   Maf-A   Cop-H   Cit-H   Cit-L
yaku   MaL-A   Cit-L                                                   
MM     Doc-L   Cit-A   Cop-H   Maf-L   Cit-A                           ML1-A
LA3    Maf-A   Cit-L   Cit-A                   Cit-L   Cit-H   Cit-L   CR1-L
TMB    Cit-A   Cit-H   Maf-L   Cit-A   Maf-L                           
XPR    Cit-A   Cit-L           Cit-A   Cit-H   MaL-A   Cit-H   Cit-A   Cit-H
XRX    Maf-A                                                           
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GLE    Cit-H   Cit-L                                                   
Rod    Cit-L                                                           
Josh   Cit-H   Maf-A                                                   
MW     Cit-L                   Cit-L   Cop-L   Cit-A   Cit-L   Cit-L   Cit-H
nder   Cit-H   Cit-A   Cit-A           CR1-H   Cit-H   Cit-A           MR1-A
AGM    Cit-L                   Cit-H   Maf-L   Cit-L   Cit-H   Doc-L   Cit-L
BoT    Cop-H                   Cop-H                   Cit-L           
fywb   Cit-L                           Cit-H   Cop-H   Cit-L   Cit-L   Cit-L
pgb    CR1-H                                                           
ryan   CL1-H   MaL-A   Cit-A   Cit-A   Cit-H   Cit-H   ML1-L   Cit-H   Doc-H
Tns            Cit-H           Doc-H   Cit-L   Cit-A           Cop-H   Cit-H
M126           Cit-H                                                   
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MAB            Cit-A   MaL-L   ML2-L   Cit-L   Cit-H                   
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OGB                    Cit-L                                   Cit-H   Cit-A
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juni                           Cit-H   Cit-H                           
Gaw                            Cit-L   Cit-L           Cit-L   Cit-H   Cop-H
Bug                            ML1-L                           Cit-L   Cit-H
Evil                           Cit-H   Cit-A                           
Jack                           Cit-A                                   
M490                                   MaL-A                           
thror                                          Cit-L   ML2-A           Cit-A
Liq                                                            Cit-H   
dkrm                                                           ML1-L   
PD                                                             ML2-A   Cit-L
Jaz                                                            Cit-A   Cit-A
WCF                                                                    Maf-L
Zak                                                                    CR1-L
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Won    Mafia   Mafia   Cits    Cits    Mafia   Mafia   Mafia   Mafia   Mafia
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MVP    nder    ryan    None    BoT     None    XPR     Mnty    PD      Zak
       yaku    Josh                            Hili    ryan            nder
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Cit=Citizen
Maf=Mafia
MaL=Mafia Leader
ML#=Mafia Leader #
A=Alive at End of Game
L=Lynched by Citizens
H=Mafia Hit
R#=Replaced #
L#=Left #
Cop=Cop
Doc=Doctor
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Mafia 6 : Vengeance
Mafia 7 : Vigilantes
Mafia 8 : Treachery pt.1 pt.2 pt.3
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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
I understand Liq intends to post signups for Mafia relatively soon--does this preclude signups for the next WW game? (I.e. do I need to wait another month?)

Or can we run mafia and WW games simultaneously?

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I'm of the opinion that we have a player base of about 20-25 players. If you want, you could do a short game. Maybe shake the GD Players List for members.

But I felt that the 2 games shouldn't be ongoing at the same time which is why I didn't start up a new game of Mafia. With Werewolf winding down, most of its player base is 'dead' and as such available for play. All that's left in that game is the motions for the end game. Everyone is itching for another shot. Lets face it, we're all addicted to this game.

Currently as I see it, Signups will begin Monday Morning.

Jaz, really confused so yeah...what else are you talking about?

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
If certain people don't knock it the heck off, we won't have to worry about how to change the game because I'll shut them down permanently. And I'm NOT just talking about Monty and XPR in the WW thread either.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
I'd just like to point out that PD never accepted my Let's Bee Friends card.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WCFmo:
I'd just like to point out that PD never accepted my Let's Bee Friends card.

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Originally posted by Liq:
I'm of the opinion that we have a player base of about 20-25 players. If you want, you could do a short game. Maybe shake the GD Players List for members.

But I felt that the 2 games shouldn't be ongoing at the same time which is why I didn't start up a new game of Mafia. With Werewolf winding down, most of its player base is 'dead' and as such available for play. All that's left in that game is the motions for the end game. Everyone is itching for another shot. Lets face it, we're all addicted to this game.

Currently as I see it, Signups will begin Monday Morning.

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
It was a joke buddy, both times.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WCFmo:
It was a joke buddy, both times.

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Vigilante:
-can not reveal his/her role at any time.
-can only be active during R2,3,or 4.
-can only be active once per game, but may not be.
-it is randomly determined in a weighted fashion if there will be a vigilante for the round.
-is chosen when there is an action for the vigilante.
-may elect not to use ability that round.
-does not transfer.
-if the vigilante takes out one person, the vigilante also is taken out.
-the mafia gets there first. Vigilante lives.
-the doctor can save any of his targets

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Name : WW 01 : WW 02 : WW 03 : WW 04 : WW 05 : WW 06 : WW 07 : WW 08 : WW 09 : WW 10 : Points
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Won  : Wolf    Town    Town    Town    Wolf    Town    Wolf    Wolf    Wolf    Wolf
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HILI   Vil-K   Vil-A   Vil-L   Vil-K   Vil-K           Vil-K                         : 3.50
B77    Ang-L   Vil-A   Vil-A   Vil-A   Vil-L   Vil-K   Vil-K   Vil-A           Vil-A : 5.50
M490   Vil-K                                                                         : 0.00
MNTY   Vil-L   WwL-L   Vil-A   Vil-A   WL2-A   Vil-K                   Vil-L         : 5.50
THNS   Ser-K   Vil-A   Vil-L           Vil-L   Vil-L   Vil-A           Vil-A   Ser-K : 3.50
BB     Vil-L   Vil-L   Ang-L   Vil-A   Vil-L   Vil-A   Ang-L   Vil-A   Vil-A   Vil-A : 5.50
MAB    Vil-K                                                                         : 0.00
LIQ    Wol-L   Vil-K   Vil-K   Vil-A           Vil-K   Vil-K   Ser-L   Vil-L   WL2-L : 5.50
PGB    Vil-K   Wof-L   Vil-K   Vil-A           Vil-K   Vil-L   Vil-K   Vil-A   Vil-A : 3.50
GLE    Vil-A           Vil-K   Wol-L   Wof-A   Ser-K   Vil-L   Vil-K   Wol-A   Vil-L : 5.00
RYAN   Vil-A   Vil-K           Vil-K   Vil-A   Vil-K                           Vil-K : 3.00
BOB    Wol-A                                                                         : 1.50
TMB    WwL-A   Vil-K   Vil-K   Vil-A   Ser-K   Vil-L                                 : 3.00
FWYB   Vil-A   Ang-A           Ser-A   WL1-L   Vil-L           Vil-L   Vil-K   Vil-K : 6.00
JAZ    Vil-A                   Vil-A   Vil-A   WwL-L   Vil-A   Vil-K   WwL-A   Vil-K : 3.00
BOT    Vil-A                                                                         : 0.00
KILG   Vil-A           WwL-L                                                         : 0.00
RDDY           Wol-L           Vil-A                                                 : 1.50
EVIL           Vil-L   Wol-L                                                         : 1.00
PYRO           Ser-K   Vil-K   Vil-K   Vil-L                                         : 3.00
FSK8           Vil-L                                                                 : 1.00
ECTO           Vil-A   Vil-L   Ang-A   Vil-K   Vil-K   Vil-K                         : 5.00
CD88           Vil-A                                                                 : 1.50
PD                     Wol-L   Vil-A   Vil-K   Vil-A   Wof-A   Ang-K   Vil-K   Vil-K : 4.50
TRND                   Ser-K                                                         : 1.00
NDER                   Vil-L                                                         : 1.00
MRDK                   Vil-K                                                         : 1.00
KOOD                           WwL-L   Vil-L   Vil-A   Vil-L   Vil-L                 : 1.50
RNDN                           Wol-L                           Vil-L                 : 0.00
RVGR                                   Vil-L   Wol-L   Vil-A   WwL-A   Vil-L         : 3.00
MM                                     Vil-K                                         : 0.00
WLLY                                   Ang-K                   WR1-A                 : 2.00
O_B                                            Vil-L           Vil-L   Ang-K         : 1.00
CATR                                           Wol-L   Wol-A                         : 1.50
AGM                                                    Ser-K   Wol-A   Wol-A   Ang-K : 3.00
MW                                                     Vil-L   Vil-A   Vil-K   WL3-A : 1.50
BUG                                                    WwL-A   Vil-K   Vil-A   Vil-L : 1.50
BOT                                                            WR1-A           WL1-L : 2.50
TOL                                                            Vil-A   Ser-L   Vil-K : 0.00
XRKN                                                                   Vil-K         : 0.00
XPLR                                                                   Vil-L   Vil-L : 0.00
JKSD                                                                           Vil-L : 0.00
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Vil=Villager
Wol=WereWolf
WwL=Werewolf Leader
WLX=Werewolf Leader X
WRX=Werewolf Replacement X
Ser=Seer
Ang=Angel
L=Lynched
K=Killed
A=Alive
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1.00 pt for Winning Team
0.50 pt for Being Alive on Winning Team
0.50 pt for Each Angel Save
0.50 pt for Seer Reveal
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Threads for Viewing:
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Werewolf 2 : The Villagers Strike! Back pt.1 pt.2
Werewolf 3 : Return of the Werewolves! pt.1 pt.2 Fail Extra
Werewolf 4 : The Lycanthrope's Revenge! pt.1 Extra
Werewolf 5 : The Pack's Disdain pt.1 pt.2.1 pt.2.2 Extra
Werewolf 6 : Liq's Journey Home pt.1 pt.2 Extra
Werewolf 7 : The Wrath of PD pt.1 pt.2
Werewolf 8 : Pogglesworth's Plight pt.1 pt.2
Werewolf 9 : The Quest for Vengeance pt.1 pt.2
Werewolf 10 : X pt.1 pt.2
Werewolf 11 : Redemption Fail

I have a question about the "replacement" system. In recent games we have had players requesting replacements (or offering/threatening to do so) because they don't like the way the game is going. Is this an abuse of the replacement rule? My understanding was that it was intended to be there for players who had RL issues that were preventing them from playing--period. Replacements are an inconvenience for everyone and mess up the metagame.

For example a wolf who is generally prone to being lynched can build a strategy, get it into motion, and then request a replacement. This strikes me as an unbalancing factor.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Is this an abuse of the replacement rule?

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IMO, absolutely. People need to suck it the **** up or don't sign up. Another reason I won't likely play back-to-back games.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
I have a question about the "replacement" system. In recent games we have had players requesting replacements (or offering/threatening to do so) because they don't like the way the game is going. Is this an abuse of the replacement rule?

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I'm 100% agreeing with JoshSherman on this one. It's just a game and replacements are a privilege when things actually do happen.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Well, the thing is, what I would like to talk about could directly affect the current game, so I can't say it in the thread.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
That was an impressive bit of work Liq... though I wonder about the wisdom of awarding points for being "still alive". Nonetheless, great work!

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As I see it, by being alive at the end of game on the winning side, you secured victory. As a cit, you saw through the lies and as a wolf (mafia), you were able to confuse the cits long enough to come out victorious.

Currently am keeping track of the current season.

Jaz leads with 2 pts (MVP, Alive, Win)
Dakrum and Bernie with 1 pt (Win)
PD (MVP) and Josh (Reveal) with 0.5 pts

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Should replacement requests come at a cost to the person requesting the replacement? I.e. a game suspension?

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As of yet, I haven't seen anyone abuse the replacement system. But I do agree, there's been too many replacements as of late. Unless MM (PD) disagrees, I think starting next game (WW12) there should be a 1 game penalty for asking for a replacement outside of necessary reasons.