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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Ok, the problem is that I am not 100% sure how many duals I will be running or which colors I will be focusing on yet.

I was thinking of cards like this: Reap and Sow

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Some cards that can get you -any- land that cost 3 or more:

Beseech the Queen
Hired Giant
Primeval Titan
Realms Uncharted
Reap and Sow
Shard Convergence (Not Forests though)
Spoils of Victory

Harrow.

There's a blue spellshaper that turns a card int your hand into a harrow.

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Originally posted by revenger:
So like I am thinking instead of a edh w/b, i might try u/b. now i need an excellent u/b commander, preferrable cheaper than 6cc. (how is Vela?) suggestions... something like u/b control without rares.

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Dralnu, lich lord

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Originally posted by choco man:
Dralnu, lich lord

Lots of good unc/com that you can flash back.

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Just make sure you have boots/greaves to keep him safe. Granted, not a lot of burn in EDH.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Just make sure you have boots/greaves to keep him safe. Granted, not a lot of burn in EDH.

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Don't even cast him if there's burn on the table. It's easy to kill artifacts.

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Originally posted by Undomian:
I finally got around to adding Deadeye Navigator to my deck, and though I expected it to be good, I didn't expect it to basically win me the game. Navigator + Primeval to rip every land out of my deck, and Navigator + Mystic Snake to counter every spell my opponents tried to play... I never even felt threatened.

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Its almost too good, its crazy how good he is in EDH.

EDIT: Ah, I see some key differences in the wording now. Looks like I need to get around to ordering some AVR cards finally.
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Ugh. The balance between "winning" and "having fun" especially in multiplayer is killing my brain. Hard to explain, but don't really know what to do about it.

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If you can infinite combo don't always just do it. That way you can have the power to end the game if someone else plays jerky cards.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
If you can infinite combo don't always just do it. That way you can have the power to end the game if someone else plays jerky cards.

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Yeah, that's what I thought too. I guess, at some point, it just feels like I know I can win, but I'm toying with them and just deciding when I want to win. At that point it doesn't necessarily become fun anymore, it's just like "oh, can I do something interesting to win? If not, I'm going to do X-combo to win anyway. If you try something on your turn, I'm going to Y-combo in response to win anyway."

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I guess, at some point, it just feels like I know I can win, but I'm toying with them and just deciding when I want to win. At that point it doesn't necessarily become fun anymore, it's just like "oh, can I do something interesting to win? If not, I'm going to do X-combo to win anyway. If you try something on your turn, I'm going to Y-combo in response to win anyway."

Guess I could just stop worrying so much and try to just play and have fun, just hard to think otherwise, haha.

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Instead of making decks that are just all the best cards. Make interesting decks.

Play a deck that is all cantrip cards that sometimes don't do much (remove a single card in a graveyard draw a card is a good example) but are very useful.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Instead of making decks that are just all the best cards. Make interesting decks.

Play a deck that is all cantrip cards that sometimes don't do much (remove a single card in a graveyard draw a card is a good example) but are very useful.

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That's not what I'm doing, though, and I'm having a pretty hard time balancing "interesting" with "best." I'm not doing anything dumb like renaminating Jin-Gitaxias. I'm trying to build decks that are good, but I want to use as many P3K generals as I can. Unfortunately most of them are terrible and have absolutely no effects that are usable as a commander. My XHD deck has no infinite mana combos right now (it may eventually) and it doesn't play Stax/lockdown style which is probably the least fun of any type of deck ever. It's more just the style of that deck happens to be able to tutor for answers to pretty much anything and then recur them as necessary, and I guess that part gives me a little pause as to its funness. But that's the whole point of him as a commander.

My in-development Sun Quan deck runs mostly Coastal Piracy and "when x does combat damage, stuff happens" (mostly card drawing, since that's like 90% of the blue effects that happen on combat damage) along with a few fat creatures to kill stuff. It also runs Deadeye Navigator plus "when x comes into play, stuff happens." Inevitably that's going to include Palinchron which leads to infinite mana, but I might also run Draining Whelk which leads to infinite counterspells, and that might make things a little less fun. I feel a little better about it since it takes a bit of setup and requires the creatures to stay alive (making it relatively on par with the other combos people are running here). I don't see that as just making a deck out of all the best cards, but I could be wrong?

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I'm trying to build decks that are good, but I want to use as many P3K generals as I can.

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I played Diaochan, Artful Beauty for awhile, and she wasn't at all bad in some sort of monored control shell. Admittedly, it was monored control in EDH, so it was far from the best, but it was still a 'fun' experience.

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Do you have a rough list for this? Diaochan and Hua Tuo are probably the only other two that I flagged as potentially having some use in Commander. White has almost nothing; Kongming is the only real one that does anything and it's just a +1/+1 all creatures effect. Bleh.

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Palinchron almost has no legitimate use other than to help generate infinite mana. Unless infinite mana is your theme, I don't see a reason to include it.

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I try to have 2-4 different things happening within the deck if I can fit them (and part of this is my limited card pool currently). There's only so many "when this deals combat damage to player, (stuff)" and 90% of the "stuff" is draw a card. I also have about 6 merfolk and Wanderwine Prophets to go with the unblockable theme, which if I can get out a few of them and attack I should be able to kill a couple of people. But that's why I'm running Deadeye Navigator blink; if I wanted to just run a full blink deck, I've seen U/W lists for it, but I thought there was enough space to include it in here too. I mean, as more cards come in I can replace stuff that doesn't work out or stuff that's too powerful.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
If i'm stuck on ideas i always persure the EDH forums to see any things people have done before because its all been done before nothing is new

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Yeah, I do that from time to time. Whenever I think of something that sounds pretty fun. Hell, I do that with normal decks too.

On a side note, screw trying to balance my decks. Mine is a neutered version of XHD and one of the guys put in Grafdigger's Cage just because I was going to play.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Yeah, I do that from time to time. Whenever I think of something that sounds pretty fun. Hell, I do that with normal decks too.

On a side note, screw trying to balance my decks. Mine is a neutered version of XHD and one of the guys put in Grafdigger's Cage just because I was going to play.

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Really? He sideboarded for EDH?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Really? He sideboarded for EDH?

If you dont' play GY hate its your own fault.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Did the group ever make it clear if you could use a sideboard or not? Maybe he's just to it.

Unless you mean he dug through his collection, not an actual sb.

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Even so this isn't like he was playing an EDH tourney he was playing for fun saw the general and sideboarded.