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Topic: Rulings thread #14, Post all rulings questions here
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HustlerMay09
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posted January 26, 2003 07:55 PM
 
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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
That link is dead, but it's not necessary. Boogers was probably right.
Just copy and paste it into the address box.
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Avai-annes
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posted January 26, 2003 08:30 PM
A simple yes or no will do for this question on Gaea's Cradle. Does it produce a green mana even when there are no creatures in play? Both my friend and I have read this ruling and still don't see eye to eye on it.Here's the ruling on the card: Is considered to have an ability that generates green mana, even if you control no creatures. [WotC Rules Team 1999/03/18]
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sawa_boon
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posted January 26, 2003 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
That link is dead, but it's not necessary. Boogers was probably right.
i think what he meant was this post by boogers: --------------------------------------
The Slide's return clause only triggers if the Slide itself is in play. You're simply wrong if you think otherwise, so don't be so dumb as to make yourself sound foolish and intelligent.
You'd have to replay the Slide after the Upheaval, and I think it's been made abundantly clear that Psychatog is the best possible use of 3 mana post-Heaval.
----------------------------------------- well... i think boogers was wrong here and just slapping his own face. Can any pro/judge here answer this? oh... by the way, this thread is in the deck construction forum topic "upheaval/astral glide" or something. edit: the problem was hustlemay or whatever, use the astral slide to slide his creature away and cast upheaval, in the end of turn, the creature returns back. and boogers argued that the astral slide must be in play in order to get the removed creature back. i'm quite sure boogers was wrong here, just need some pros to judge it.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by sawa_boon on January 26, 2003]
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Mrhat
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posted January 26, 2003 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Avai-annes:
A simple yes or no will do for this question on Gaea's Cradle. Does it produce a green mana even when there are no creatures in play? Both my friend and I have read this ruling and still don't see eye to eye on it.Here's the ruling on the card: Is considered to have an ability that generates green mana, even if you control no creatures. [WotC Rules Team 1999/03/18]
With no creatures, you get no mana. On the Astral Slide question, I'm not sure, but I would think that the creature comes back. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mrhat on January 26, 2003]
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sawa_boon
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posted January 26, 2003 08:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Avai-annes:
A simple yes or no will do for this question on Gaea's Cradle. Does it produce a green mana even when there are no creatures in play? Both my friend and I have read this ruling and still don't see eye to eye on it.Here's the ruling on the card: Is considered to have an ability that generates green mana, even if you control no creatures. [WotC Rules Team 1999/03/18]
well... it has the ability to generate green mana, but not able to generate green mana if u have no creatures. the 'ability to generate green mana' was refering to the cradles ability. it'll give u green mana, but only if u control creatures. it doesn't give u green mana if u control no creature, but doesn't mean that its has no 'ability to produce green mana', get it?
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Drow
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posted January 26, 2003 09:06 PM
if i were to use the dark suppliment/scion of darkness combo could i search my library for more than one copy of scion by just sacrificing the three clerics.
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gzeiger
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posted January 26, 2003 09:15 PM
You only get one copy of Scion of Darkness with the Cleric's ability.A creature removed by Astral Slide comes back at the end of the turn whether or not Astral Slide is in play. The reason is that the return is part of the same ability that removes the creature; it's not a separate trigger. When the ability resolves it creates what is called a delayed triggered ability, which will trigger at the end of the turn because the ability that created it has already resolved. Delayed triggers can be distinguished from abilities that require the card to be in play by the lack of paragraph break. Gaea's Cradle will not produce any mana if you control no creatures. The ruling cited has to do with Cradle's interaction with other cards like Reflecting Pool, Fellwar Stone and Harvester Druid that have the ability to produce mana "of the same color" as another land in play. A Gaea's Cradle does allow Reflecting Pool to produce a green mana even when the Cradle itself is unable to. __________________
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FyreStar
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posted January 26, 2003 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by HustlerMay09:
Basically what I'm asking is, in this post, http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/021447.html is Boogers right, or am I right?
Boogers is wrong. Astral Slide doesn't need to be in play for your creatures to come back.
quote:
Originally posted by flyingmonkey:
if i have, say a doomed necromancer, nantuko husk, and celestial gatekeeper in play, can i sac the gatekeeper to the husk, and then activate the gatekeepers ability but use the doomed necromancer to bring the gatekeeper back into play before the gatekeeper's remove from game ability kicks in? I prolly worded it wrong...but u'll prolly understand.
Celestial Gatekeeper
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Creature -- Bird Cleric
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When Celestial Gatekeeper is put into a graveyard from play, remove it from
the game, then return up to two target Bird and/or Cleric cards from your
graveyard to play. So yes, that play is perfectly legal. __________________
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da-odd-templar
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posted January 26, 2003 10:26 PM
First things first. Hustler - cool deck.  people - So the gatekeeper is a new card huh? No wonder I couldn't find text for it! Sandi - Sorry my clothes stink so bad when you wash them.  __________________
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HustlerMay09
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posted January 27, 2003 04:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
First things first. Hustler - cool deck. people - So the gatekeeper is a new card huh? No wonder I couldn't find text for it! Sandi - Sorry my clothes stink so bad when you wash them.
Thanx for clearing that up
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flyingmonkey
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posted January 27, 2003 09:19 AM
so...the gatekeeper would be back in play, and u'd get to return 2 cleric/birds into play?
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MTGMastermind2002
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posted January 27, 2003 09:19 AM
If my opponant is at 8 and I control a Morphling...can I tap to make it an 8/-2 and still be able to have it deal damage before he dies?Please email me the answer! __________________
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da-odd-templar
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posted January 27, 2003 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by flyingmonkey:
so...the gatekeeper would be back in play, and u'd get to return 2 cleric/birds into play?
Now that I read the card, yes you end up with the bird back in play, and you get to return 2 birds/clerics to play from the graveyard. Mastermind - I can't email you from this location (don't ask) but the biggest you can make a Morphling without +1/+1 counters or something like that is a 5/1. When it becomes a 6/0 it dies. __________________
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flyingmonkey
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posted January 27, 2003 03:13 PM
on one last note...if u had 2 of the bird thingys out, would they be able to retrieve each other infinetely?
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Drow
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posted January 28, 2003 09:31 AM
ok i i have cephlid inkshrouder in play and cast might of oaks on him then discard a card to make him unblockable and he can't be the target of spells or abilities will he still get the +7+7?
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grimmer
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posted January 28, 2003 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Drow:
ok i i have cephlid inkshrouder in play and cast might of oaks on him then discard a card to make him unblockable and he can't be the target of spells or abilities will he still get the +7+7?
It depends on how you activate the abilities.
(wrong way)If you play Might of Oaks and then activate the Inkshrouder's ability before passing priority, then it will be untargetable when Might resolves and will not get +7/+7).
(right way)If you play Might and pass priority, allowing Might to resolve... THEN activate the Inkshrouder's ability, it will get +7/+7, be untargetable, and unblockable.
(alternate way) Activate Inkshrouder's ability then play Might before passing priority. The Might will resolve before the Inkshrouder's ability, so it will not be untargetable yet.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by grimmer on January 28, 2003]
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coinmagic45
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posted January 28, 2003 03:45 PM
Hi,
I know that if you have Astral Slide in play and cycle a card at the end of the turn, then the removed creature doesn't return until the end of the NEXT turn. What about Chamber of Manipulation? Does it work the same way? Can I use the chamber at the end of my opponent's turn to gain control of one of his creatures, untap it on my turn, and attack with it?
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gzeiger
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posted January 29, 2003 12:31 AM
No, it doesn't work that way. Astral Slide's wording - "at end of turn" - is defined to be a triggered event that happens at the beginning of the End Step. If that event is set up later in the End Step, its trigger condition (the beginning of the step) won't happen until the next turn.Abilities that say "until end of turn" are defined to last until the Cleanup Step, which follows the End Step. No player gets priority during a Cleanup Step, so there's no opportunity to beat the system on these. __________________
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Sliver King
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posted January 29, 2003 08:39 AM
I have a Quick Sliver in play as I attempt to cast a Muscle Sliver. My opponent plays a Counterspell, targeting the Muscle Sliver. If I play Root Sliver as an instant in response, will it cause the Counterspell effect to be countered upon resolution (fizzle)?
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-Vhati-il-dal-
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posted January 29, 2003 10:55 AM
The Counterspell will fail. Once Root Sliver is in play, none of your Slivers can be countered. It doesn't matter if the spell was played before Root Sliver was in play.
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ganandorf
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posted January 29, 2003 12:31 PM
in my local tourneys, many people run morphling and the abyss. they say that they can make morphling "untargetable to being sacraficed, but how does this work? i mean, morphling can be killed with an edict, so why not with the abyss? thanks for your help__________________
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Mrhat
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posted January 29, 2003 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by ganandorf:
in my local tourneys, many people run morphling and the abyss. they say that they can make morphling "untargetable to being sacraficed, but how does this work? i mean, morphling can be killed with an edict, so why not with the abyss? thanks for your help
Here is the Oracle wording for the Abyss...
Enchant World
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, destroy target nonartifact creature that player controls of his or her choice. It can't be regenerated.
The Abyss' ability is targeted, so you can make the Morphling untargetable in response. __________________
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ganandorf
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posted January 29, 2003 02:43 PM
that is soo stupid (I mean the card wording) basically it is a targeted sacrafice. why can't wizards change the meaning of the card like making it so that it MEANS each players sacs a non-artifact creature during his upkeep.__________________
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TunaBoo
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posted January 29, 2003 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ganandorf:
that is soo stupid (I mean the card wording) basically it is a targeted sacrafice. why can't wizards change the meaning of the card like making it so that it MEANS each players sacs a non-artifact creature during his upkeep.
Because it would make morphling worse? And the abyss better? __________________
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capone
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posted January 30, 2003 12:46 AM
ok i have a question about enchant creatures. if i put an enchant creature on an opponenets creature. do i contrll and activate that enchantment or does he. some problems were..regeneration on the opponents critter.so do i pay the green if i were to regenerate it? another example is torture. i would think that i activate that cause i would want to harm it.in that way then couldent i put a hermatic study on his creature and tap it when ever i wanted to do dam to something?
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