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da-odd-templar Member	posted January 16, 2003 03:10 PM Now that I think about it, if you target one of them with the ability, all your doing is let them use their tap ability twice (if they are smart). They use it once when you target them with it, then when it resolves and untaps them, they use it again. Heh, not such a good idea. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
da-odd-templar Member	posted January 16, 2003 03:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: ok, so I attack with my saprazzan heir, right? They block. Is there a way to use my vodalian illusionist, after damage is on the stack to keep my guy, alive? or do I have to use it before damage is stacked? You don't even have to put dmg on the stack, since the thing triggers on being blocked. Let it be blocked, the trigger goes on stack, then phase out the guy. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
Jazaray Moderator	posted January 16, 2003 03:48 PM quote: Originally posted by da-odd-templar: You don't even have to put dmg on the stack, since the thing triggers on being blocked. Let it be blocked, the trigger goes on stack, then phase out the guy. If I DO wait until damage is on the stack.. will it still work? or will it die? I think it will die when it phases back in, because it didn't get to go through "Clean-up".. am I right? __________________ AIM Handle Jazaray MSN Handle Jazaray@hotmail.com Shout Outz: Tad, Justin, Jared, John, Dave, Dave, Dave, Ken, Nick, Nick, Jason, Kyra, Katie, Chris, Val, Ed, Alex, Evans, Greg, Tony, Mike Want your name here ^^? Just Ask! [Edited 1 times, lastly by Jazaray on January 16, 2003]
Vivec Member	posted January 16, 2003 04:39 PM i think provoke actually make it block. Using provoke untaps it and selects it as a blocker. U can tap your creature creatures once selected as blocker can tap and still do combat damage if i remember. So that would mean provoke would kill the creature but u cvan use the creatures ability, jusyt not to keep it out of combat.
da-odd-templar Member	posted January 16, 2003 04:46 PM quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: If I DO wait until damage is on the stack.. will it still work? or will it die? I think it will die when it phases back in, because it didn't get to go through "Clean-up".. am I right? Well you will draw the 3 cards from it being blocked before you ever go to assign combat damage. So yes, you can draw the 3 cards, then assign combat damage, then phase it out. The heir isn't in play when combat damage resolves, so he never takes any damage. So there's no reason for him to die when he phases back in. On Provoke: Let's hold off any more discussion until the legions faq comes out. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
Kluckers Member	posted January 17, 2003 02:33 PM A question. Voracious Cobra (2/2) First Strike Whenever Voracious Cobra deals damage to a creature, destroy that creature. In combat. The cobra blocks a 3/3 creature with no abilities. Does the cobra die? Or is there a step in between the two's damages being dealt, where the 3/3 dies? Thanks. __________________ "Honor the brave who fought; Honor the dead who fell; Honor the world they saved." -Martyrs' Tomb "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." -E. Roosevelt "I'm confustrated." -R. A. Kluskens Wisconsin Pride
da-odd-templar Member	posted January 17, 2003 02:37 PM The cobra lives, other creature dies. When the cobra's first strike damage resolves, it's ability triggers, and the other creature dies before it get's to assign it's normal combat damage. Voracious Cobra is a real pain in the neck... __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
Malchar Member	posted January 17, 2003 02:41 PM the cobra lives the 3/3 dies before the cobra, because 1st strike damage is before normal damage, like this... 1 declare attackers 2 declare blockers 3 (1st strike damage on the stack) 4 (resolve 1st strike damage) 5 normal damage on the stack 6 resolve normal damage during step 4, the first strike damage would hit the 3/3 before the cobra has even been assigned damage. the 3/3 would then die due to the cobra's ability, way before the cobra get's hurt. (of course, the cobra is still counted as 'blocked' if it was attacking.)
tragicmagic Member	posted January 17, 2003 09:31 PM Let's say I have a Death Stroke or Royal Assassin. My opponent attacks me with... Let's say Sengir Vampire. If I use my DS or RA to destroy it, does the damage still run through to me?
FyreStar Member	posted January 17, 2003 10:17 PM quote: Originally posted by tragicmagic: Let's say I have a Death Stroke or Royal Assassin. My opponent attacks me with... Let's say Sengir Vampire. If I use my DS or RA to destroy it, does the damage still run through to me? Nope, not unless you want it to. As soon as they declare it as an attacker and pass priority to you, you can kill it. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
TunaBoo Member	posted January 17, 2003 10:20 PM Check me on this one Mesmeric Fiend Text (TO): 1/1. ; When ~this~ comes into play, target opponent reveals his or her hand and you choose a nonland card from it. Remove that card from the game. ; When ~this~ leaves play, return the removed card to its owner's hand. Under a plague for horror. It comes into play, remove card goes on stack. Then state based effects are checked, and it dies. So return goes on stack, return reolves, remove resolves. End result: Card is gone for good. Just check that I didn't screw up and it dies before the triggers go on the stack. (it shouldn't check for state based effects until someone gets priority which is when it comes into play and trigger is on stack) __________________ Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chronicles City Of Brass If you see one, drop me a line. I will hook j00 up phat! 2002 Runner up for: The Mimi Bobeck Award, The Big Bird Award, The AC/DC Award, The Homer Simpson Award, The Mike Bullard Award, The Chronicle Award. [Edited 1 times, lastly by TunaBoo on January 17, 2003]
FyreStar Member	posted January 17, 2003 10:43 PM quote: Originally posted by TunaBoo: Check me on this one Mesmeric Fiend Text (TO): 1/1. ; When ~this~ comes into play, target opponent reveals his or her hand and you choose a nonland card from it. Remove that card from the game. ; When ~this~ leaves play, return the removed card to its owner's hand. Under a plague for horror. It comes into play, remove card goes on stack. Then state based effects are checked, and it dies. So return goes on stack, return reolves, remove resolves. End result: Card is gone for good. Just check that I didn't screw up and it dies before the triggers go on the stack. (it shouldn't check for state based effects until someone gets priority which is when it comes into play and trigger is on stack) Close. When it comes into play, SBEs are checked before any triggers go on the stack (but the triggers still go on the stack afterwards). So, Fiend comes into play, SBEs are checked, Fiend Dies. Once the game is finished checking SBEs, you've got two triggers waiting to go on the stack (CIP and LP). You control both, so you put them on the stack in the order you choose (generally CIP first and then LP), and let them resolve. The LP does nothing and then the CIP steals a card for good. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
TunaBoo Member	posted January 17, 2003 10:46 PM I knew CIP things happened on stuff under plague/humility type stuff. I didn't know under plague they both happened at once, so you can stack in either order. That is good to know! Thanks a lot. __________________ Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chronicles City Of Brass If you see one, drop me a line. I will hook j00 up phat! 2002 Runner up for: The Mimi Bobeck Award, The Big Bird Award, The AC/DC Award, The Homer Simpson Award, The Mike Bullard Award, The Chronicle Award. [Edited 1 times, lastly by TunaBoo on January 17, 2003]
Drow Member	posted January 18, 2003 07:15 AM Phage says if you don't play it form your hand you lose the game. If i have aether rift in play does that count as playing it from my hand?
FyreStar Member	posted January 18, 2003 08:30 AM quote: Originally posted by Drow: Phage says if you don't play it form your hand you lose the game. If i have aether rift in play does that count as playing it from my hand? Nope. Playing something and putting something into play are two different things. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
gzeiger Member	posted January 18, 2003 12:00 PM Tunaboo - static effects are applied before triggers are checked. Humility negates CIP abilities.
TunaBoo Member	posted January 18, 2003 02:38 PM quote: Originally posted by gzeiger: Tunaboo - static effects are applied before triggers are checked. Humility negates CIP abilities. Not really. A spike feeder still gets the counters on it, making it bigger. Did I mention I hate humility. __________________ Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chronicles City Of Brass If you see one, drop me a line. I will hook j00 up phat! 2002 Runner up for: The Mimi Bobeck Award, The Big Bird Award, The AC/DC Award, The Homer Simpson Award, The Mike Bullard Award, The Chronicle Award.
samus_ssp Member	posted January 18, 2003 03:02 PM quote: Originaly posted by: TunaBoo Not really. A spike feeder still gets the counters on it, making it bigger. Did I mention I hate humility. Thats because the spick abilitys are not come into play abilitys. Come into play abilitys read: "when ~this~ comes into play..." Spicks read: "~this~ comes into play with..." I belive them to be different.
TunaBoo Member	posted January 18, 2003 03:07 PM quote: Originally posted by samus_ssp: Thats because the spick abilitys are not come into play abilitys. Come into play abilitys read: "when ~this~ comes into play..." Spicks read: "~this~ comes into play with..." I belive them to be different. True, but I refuse to think about it for 11 more months. __________________ Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chronicles City Of Brass If you see one, drop me a line. I will hook j00 up phat! 2002 Runner up for: The Mimi Bobeck Award, The Big Bird Award, The AC/DC Award, The Homer Simpson Award, The Mike Bullard Award, The Chronicle Award.
tragicmagic Member	posted January 18, 2003 05:40 PM This is about Double-strike. Say I have a Tundra Wolves out in play. And then I play Knighthood. Does tundra Wolves gain Double-first strike?
TunaBoo Member	posted January 18, 2003 05:49 PM quote: Originally posted by tragicmagic: This is about Double-strike. Say I have a Tundra Wolves out in play. And then I play Knighthood. Does tundra Wolves gain Double-first strike? No such thing. Double strike is a seperate ability. If it doesn't say double strike, it doesn't have it. __________________ Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chronicles City Of Brass If you see one, drop me a line. I will hook j00 up phat! 2002 Runner up for: The Mimi Bobeck Award, The Big Bird Award, The AC/DC Award, The Homer Simpson Award, The Mike Bullard Award, The Chronicle Award.
blazingyen Member	posted January 18, 2003 11:03 PM Does Sacred Ground work against Braids so that I can keep all my permanents?
evildead Member	posted January 18, 2003 11:14 PM No, you can't get your land back from braids, because braids doesn't affect your land, it affects you. Since you have the choice on what to sac, it doesn't directly affect your land.
da-odd-templar Member	posted January 19, 2003 12:09 AM Wrong. Sacred ground does let you get the land back (if the opponent controls braids), since the effect is controlled by the opponent. It doesn't matter that you have to choose which land. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
Drow Member	posted January 19, 2003 11:26 AM If I have Phage in play, and my opponent butchers it then kills the butcher with a lightning bolt. Do i loose the game because of Phage coming in to play but not from my hand?

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